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Give it up, Mihael.
Anyone who is still using SEU, really, REALLY does NOT want to learn,
anything...
I gave it up already.I don't try to convince my fellow i "programmers"
anymore with reason and arguments.It's simply too frustrating, and
even dangerous at some times (yes really),as some can become really
emotional about it.
I have lots of knowledge and experience outside of "i", such as Java,
Web, etc.Not to mention ILE and /free RPG.
I see my "i" experience as a nice "niche".It's only downhill and
nothing to expected anymore from this platform (as it was 10 years ago
aready).I'm amazed about the inertia surrounding AS/400, or "i",
whatever.All thanks to those spaghetti programmers (can't rip modules out, only replace it all).
The platform is declining, and as a freelance developer, with
extensive RPG experience anda lot of other knowledge, i foresee that
as long as the platform is not gone (lets say atleast 10 years), i can
earn a decent salary.
Anyhow, i don't have much competition in this market.And many in this
list either.
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From: Mihael.Schmidt@xxxxxxxxxxxIs use RPG Next Gen Editor for all my software available on
To: rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Impossible to even think about rewriting in RPG
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 06:30:18 +0000
"What do folks use other than SEU and PDM for their ILE development? " :
rpgnextgen.com .
it automatically creates some boilerplate code. I never use it for that.
At work we are using RDP and the reason we are using it here is NOT
that
Just having an editor which behave more like a "normal" editor and
seeing more that 16 lines or so is reason enough for me. But you get
so much more like the outline view and the errors of your compile
directly in a view with clickable error lines to go the error, etc...
No more searching through compile listings. Development is so much faster.
rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Yeung
Mihael
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Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:30 PMwrote:
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Subject: Re: Impossible to even think about rewriting in RPG
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:45 AM,
<Tommy.Holden@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
completeUntil like 3 months ago I used SEU/PDM for doing ILE programming
herring.with service programs, modules & APIs. Blaming the IDE is a red
listIt's a desire to make the effort that is to blame.
Thanks,
Tommy Holden
I'm not *blaming* the IDE. I'm saying that for me, in my workplace,
in my opinion, it's not the best use of my time. Of course you can
do ILE programming with SEU and PDM. And if you do, great. I am all
for it. But it *does* have a cost, and is not only related to
willingness.
Look at Java for a much more stark illustration of the cost of an
inferior development environment. How many Java programmers who use
Notepad or EDTF or some such are anywhere near as productive as Java
programmers using Eclipse? There is a very real cost to having to
type boatloads and boatloads of boilerplate yourself. While you are
doing that, you're not really contributing value, you're not really
working on the business problem. You are typing (or copying and
pasting) lots and lots and lots of stuff that either the compiler or
the IDE should be able to do for you. It's a bloody waste of time.
For me, personally, I have not seen ILE code that is *so much
better* than OPM code that there is a compelling argument to switch.
At least at my workplace, the benefit is very close to zero. And the
cost is much greater than zero. If there were some demonstration
that there would be significant benefit (modularity,
maintainability, performance, functionality), or some way to
mitigate the cost (less clunky development process), then of course
it would be worth revisiting.
And this is why I have asked very plainly: What do folks use other
than SEU and PDM for their ILE development? Three months ago, you
switched yourself, so clearly there must be something better.
Note: I know ILE provides greater functionality. The benefits that
are obvious to me are embedded SQL and recursion. So of course when
those things make the programming much easier, it is worth the
overhead of the extra coding required for ILE. But honestly, the
stuff we do at my workplace very rarely calls for these features.
John
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