Re: Death of RPG38 and RPG36 -and- more! -- RPG400-L

I doubt if IBM has any more info than polling some business partners. I havebeendoing s38ee/s36ee conversions to native since '88 and think there is a goodbusinesscase to do so. But for customers who spend more time "running theirbusiness" anduse a computer for "basic accounting", then if the s36ee code worked well -it still

works well. The "if it ain't broke don't fix it..." applies.
There has been sort of urban legend (true or not) that IBM is contractually

required to keep s36ee going as long as any part of the Federal governmentis running it.Who knows... They did already drop Officevision and that was a native 400product.I do think IBM has no clue as to how many are out there. I'm the point ofcontacton many of these systems and every once in a while we get a call centercontact from

IBM, but they never ask this.
If IBM would also provide something like the green-streak promotion we could
move many more off the old stuff.....
jim franz

----- Original Message -----From: <rob@xxxxxxxxx>

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Subject: Re: Death of RPG38 and RPG36 -and- more!

Another question Jim:  Does IBM have any old case studies in which someone
moved from S/36 environment to Native?  It's been awhile.  How does one
determine the cost?

Rob Berendt
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Wow- how Rochester can alienate the stragglers....I think IBM should take
a
look at the
number of purchases of newer hardware to run s36ee or a mix of s36ee &
native that go
on every year. IBM doesn't ask & doesn't know. I would say of the 10 or so

new hardware
installs last couple years, 95% have had some s36ee still running.
Can I assume the PRPQ will have a cost?
Is IBM's cost to maintain the old compilers such that it will push away
the potential thousands of stragglers that upgrade in next few years.

Can I ask out there - how many have s36ee still running somewhere?
And how will your management react when told what IBM is doing?

I work with a software co with 15 or so customers, running a couple
AS436's,
iSeries 800's
an old 720, and a few 170's. All need upgrading. All will balance the
software cost
to move out of s36 code vs total non-ibm platform replacement. (and all
have
previously refused to consider any charge to modernize code.. we did
try..)
It used to be all AS436's and we upgraded them to the 800's and 170's when

they were
current/new boxes. None were used hardware upgrades. All like getting 5-7
or
more years
on a box. Many are looking at i5's...
jim franz

----- Original Message -----From: <rob@xxxxxxxxx>

To: <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 8:27 AM
Subject: Death of RPG38 and RPG36 -and- more!

Check out the article at
http://www.itjungle.com/tfh/tfh020606-story02.html

Quoting from the article:
"First up, IBM says that WebSphere Development Studio for iSeries V5R4
will be the last release to ship with RPG II and COBOL compilers that

are

compatible with the System/36 and RPG III and COBOL compilers that are
compatible with the System/38. IBM is recommending that customers who

have

deployed System/36 and System/38 applications in the S36EE or S38EE
emulation environments to switch to ILE RPG and get it over with. IBM

did

say that these old compilers would be available as a non-warranted PRPQ

in

the next release of i5/OS, but this is not a place you want to go."

I assume that means that source types CBL36, CBL38, RPG36 and RPG38 will
no longer compile.  What about RPG?  That would be nice also.  Something
to force the major vendors to revamp to RPGLE.

In order to give people more time to prepare IBM really needs to put

this

at

http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/support/iseries/planning/upgrade/futuresftwr.html


The words already out, so it's not like putting the information there

will

steal the thunder from the many nice enhancements in V5R4.

Rob Berendt
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Group Dekko Services, LLC
Dept 01.073
PO Box 2000
Dock 108
6928N 400E
Kendallville, IN 46755
http://www.dekko.com

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