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Buck, This mindset has already occurred. IBM publishes ptf cover letters that are mutually updated by the big software vendors. For example, if you run BPCS there is a cover letter that tells you what ptf's you'll need at each release. Granted it needs a little updating (the current cume is ...) however, it is available at: http://makeashorterlink.com/?X12753674 http://www-912.ibm.com/n_dir/nas4apar.NSF/c79815e083182fec862564c00079d117/c6df642b03904db186256a9c00543478?OpenDocument&Highlight=2,II12963 Let me add another mindset. I think it's fair, that if a customer requires a RPG compiler to maintain your code, that they should also have the SQL precompiler. (Unless your tool set never touches a database.) Some vendors may balk at that because one obstinate customer may have a beef with the SQL precompiler because of: cost, problems, they get off doing SQL CPI, they are afraid that some new guy may understand that better than their obscure OPNQRYF and they'll lose their position as 'technical wizard'. Rob Berendt -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
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