RE: Visual RPG vs. Other Visual languages was ->RE: Is RPG available on any other platform ?

>I think you just like to stir things up....
You are definitely right on this one.  If nobody stirs the soup then all of
the good stuff will be left on the bottom and everybody will be left eating
the stuff on the top thinking it is the best soup out there.

>If you are so _down_ on RPG (which is apparent to me by the nature of your
postings), then _why_ do you even participate in this forum?

I always hear about people wanting to use the best tool for the job.  If I
know of a tool that can perform better than another then I will state my
opinion and hope that people will be open minded about it.

I am an RPG programmer.  I am a Java Programmer.  Heck I even know Cobol and
QBasic. . .  If nobody ever tells you about different options how are you
ever going to know about them?  If I haven't been constructive in my
statements I apologize and will try to re-word next time.

Aaron Bartell

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Landess [mailto:steve_landess@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 10:21 AM
To: rpg400-l@midrange.com
Subject: Re: Visual RPG vs. Other Visual languages was ->RE: Is RPG
available on any other platform ?


Aaron -
If you are so _down_ on RPG (which is apparent to me by the nature of your
postings), then _why_ do you even participate in this forum?

I think you just like to stir things up....

Steve Landess
Austin, Texas
(512) 423-0935

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bartell, Aaron L. (TC)" <ALBartell@taylorcorp.com>
To: <rpg400-l@midrange.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 10:08 AM
Subject: Visual RPG vs. Other Visual languages was ->RE: Is RPG available on
any other platform ?


> >Aaron we've moved very far off topic.
> Easy fix.  Just change the Subject.
>
> I can see your point of going to VARPG if your shop is entirely RPG
> programmers with little ambition to learn a different language.
>
> <snip>
> If you know other languages then use them, but for an RPG shop with
> employees that
> know their data already, and know their users, and know their RPGIV,
> learning event-driven logic is a no-brainer.
> </snip>
>
> I am not sure where you are going with this one, because if event driven
is
> a no-brainer then learn VB or VB.net. Then you gain the obvious advantages
> of going with a better language.  But if your RPG programmers do not have
> the ambition to learn a different language then I see your point.
>
> >They can find VB programmers of course but the diaper costs can become
> prohibitive.
>
> You would be surprised what a kid out of college can pull off, given the
> chance and the tools.  Don't look at how much somebody knows when you hire
> them, look at how much they can learn in a given time frame.
>
> >These shops can have a few inquiry applications up and running quicker
than
> they can find and hire a qualified Java programmer.
>
> The problem with this is that you are going to be hard pressed to find
> _anyone_ well versed in the Java technologies.  That is not because Java
is
> near impossible to learn, but because it is growing so fast the adoption
can
> seem daunting.  What I have found, though, is that it is growing at a very
> nice rate.  Business is changing and we need toolsets to change just as
fast
> so we don't have to write everything from scratch.  The thing with Java is
> that you only need to use the functionality of the language as it becomes
> know to you.  I have yet to use Interfaces in Java because I don't have a
> real good grasp of them, but I use a lot of other nice features like
> extending, creating my own data types, overriding, etc. . .
>
> >Remember, we are dealing in a reality where MIS is measured by the speed
> and up-time of e-mail, not ROI.
> This is either the opinion of some narrow minded people or your company
has
> some serious problems with their view of IT.  Somebody in your department
> needs to start pounding their hand on the table a little harder to let
upper
> management know that IT has a place in your business.
>
> Aaron Bartell
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Booth Martin [mailto:Booth@MartinVT.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 9:43 AM
> To: rpg400-l@midrange.com
> Subject: RE: Is RPG available on any other platform ?
>
>
>
>  Aaron we've moved very far off topic.  The original issue is "Is RPG
> available on any other platform?"  My answer is "Yes, use VARPG on
Windows."
>  That statement still holds.  If your language is RPG then VARPG is a
choice
> that is available to you.
>
> Discussion of other languages, etc, is for another place and time.  If you
> know other languages then use them, but for an RPG shop with employees
that
> know their data already, and know their users, and know their RPGIV,
> learning event-driven logic is a no-brainer.
>
> These shops have the ability to use their team skills and put out plenty
of
> slick and fast Windows programs that their users will love.  These shops
can
> have a few inquiry applications up and running quicker than they can find
> and hire a qualified Java programmer.  They can find VB programmers of
> course but the diaper costs can become prohibitive.
>
> Remember, we are dealing in a reality where MIS is measured by the speed
and
> up-time of e-mail, not ROI.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Booth Martin   http://www.MartinVT.com
> Booth@MartinVT.com
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: rpg400-l@midrange.com
> Date: Thursday, January 02, 2003 09:38:48 AM
> To: 'rpg400-l@midrange.com'
> Subject: RE: Is RPG available on any other platform ?
>
> >...The learning curve for new employees on many green screen applications
> is
> >just too frustrating today.
>
> This is also the reason I have heard in my company. . .
>
> Aaron
>
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