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  • Subject: RE: Question concerning entry level programmer skills
  • From: Bernard Visser <bernard.visser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:06:49 -0700

yeah, and don't give them all the answers up front, let them struggle a
little, you can tell alot about a person by the way they handle a situation
they know nothing/little about.

-----Original Message-----
From: James W. Kilgore [mailto:qappdsn@attglobal.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 2:48 AM
To: RPG400-L@midrange.com
Subject: Re: Question concerning entry level programmer skills




Jim wrote:

> <<snip>> I can assure you, a
> diploma is no garantee the student learned anything. Only that they
> paid there full tuition.

AMEN!

Now I've hired green programmers for the green screen world for, well more
years
than I care to admit, and have been pretty lucky in my choices.

What I have looked for in a newbie from a two year technical collage which
had at
least some courses in RPG  is 1) did they pass the course 2) do they want to
learn
3) are they self motivated 4) are they afraid of work.

On the first day I assure them that the first thing they will learn here is
how
little they learned in school.  Green is green. Some of the responses I've
read on
this thread is like asking a driver ed student to enter a stock car race.
Get real.

Know subfiles?  A good one will know where in the manuals to find an
example.  They
might even have written one as a class exercise.  In either case they're
about as
close to the real world requirements as the moon.

To hire a green grad is a commitment to time and the willingness to mentor.
Give
them a simple project that will actually be used.  Their egos will need it.
For the
first year they'll by doing a lot of cut and paste without having a clue as
to why
it works.  And every three months you'll have to talk them out of making a
career
change to telemarketing.  But that one day will occur.  The day they walk
in, and
you can literally see it in their eyes, somehow in the middle of the night,
it all
came together.  It now makes sense.  Now they're dangerous. ;)  At this
point, you
start to shift from mentor to manager.

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