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RE: Upgrading 3rd party products which include copysrc

Brad,

I did restore to a new library.
Did minimal testing, no issues.

Below is the hard part.
< put it above the live library and compile and test your programs (which hopefully are in their own test/devo environment as well).

1) Not that easy to add a new library to the mix. We use jobds to control the lib list.
2) Not that easy to identify programs that use the 3rd party product, also which ones might need recompiling.

It's times like this where you need to install on a playground LPAR.
But the problem here is that not enough testing gets done on the playground LPAR and all the prereqs may not exist for recompiles.

I've created a new utility, for each 3rd party app, using SCNALLSRC on the R&D LPAR, then matching results to object usage from the Production LPAR.
End result will be a finite list of all objects that need to be tested and possibly recompiled.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bradley Stone
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 8:13 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: Upgrading 3rd party products which include copysrc

Rob,

I don't believe that to be the case. With this update we had a change to the process as well for certain situations. Those programs that didn't need updating weren't recompiled and started crashing.

It was my fault for not including the extra instructions to recompile.

Brad
www.bvstools.com

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:06 AM, <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Brad,

I get the impression that Paul shot himself in the foot by not using
the library list but instead doing /copy BRADLIB/BRADFILE,BRADMBR


Rob Berendt
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From: Bradley Stone <bvstone@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 02/08/2016 05:14 PM
Subject: Re: Upgrading 3rd party products which include copysrc
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>



Paul,

Just load it into a new library. If you compile against it you'll
want those programs to be in their own development library too.

Contact me offline if you want more info, but really all you need to
do is restore the new version to a separate library, put it above the
live library and compile and test your programs (which hopefully are
in their own test/devo environment as well).

Brad
www.bvstools.com

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Steinmetz, Paul
<PSteinmetz@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Thanks Brad.
No you are not the only guilty party, there our others.

I still need to figure out how to get your new cpysrc on R&D, so
programmers can compile and test.
But problem is that R&D is used for other testing, which cannot
break (current version).

So I actually need parts of both versions running simultaneously.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Bradley Stone
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 3:55 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: Upgrading 3rd party products which include copysrc

I am one of the guilty parties here (maybe the only one) that caused
Paul
issues.

We did forget to include in our install/upgrade instructions for one
of our products that if you're using any subprocedures from our
service programs/modules that you should recompile not only to get
the new /copy
or
/include members imported, but also to bind to the new versions of
the modules/service programs.

This has since been updated in the documentation for our product.

It was an oversight on my part and I do apologize for the
problems/confusion it may have caused Paul or anyone else.

Brad
www.bvstools.com

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Steinmetz, Paul
<PSteinmetz@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Rob,

Our RPGLE source, which includes 3rd party /copy
XXX/QRPGLECPY,XXXYZ The 3rd party product is integrated into our code.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of rob@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 3:28 PM
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Subject: Re: Upgrading 3rd party products which include copysrc

I'm a little confused.

Just to get started, what do you mean by copysrc? Stuff that is
used in RPGLE with /copy and/or /include statements?

If so, then how would one know you had an issue unless you WERE
doing a recompile?

Trying to think how such a migration might work, and I can see it
being really different based on the vendor's mind set.

For example, if I was migrating from version x to version y of
some vendor's package they may first migrate all the data to a new
library in a new format. Like add new columns, change column attributes, etc.
Then they would recompile all programs to get these new layouts.
Some may ask why they would recompile versus just sending you end
version objects and the answer would be because they may allow you
to add your own modifications to the new tables.

As far as testing /copy or /include one may have to see if they
have a hardcoded library on the statement, or if their
instructions assume a certain order in your library list.



Rob Berendt
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From: "Steinmetz, Paul" <PSteinmetz@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'"
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 02/08/2016 03:12 PM
Subject: Upgrading 3rd party products which include copysrc
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>



On an R&D LPAR, I upgraded two 3rd party products last week, both
of which use copysrc.
Both products stated no re-compilation needed.

Both products had failures related to the copysrc, recompilations
were needed.

How does one include the new copy src for the recompiles and test
the new objects, prior to doing the upgrade?


Thank You
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IBM i Systems Administrator

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