Re: Re: cost estimate for a GUI pilot

Aaron



My comparison of Ruby and Node was just to explain how fast technologies
changes today. It is a fact that there today are more plugins to node
(npm’s) that there are to Ruby (gem’s) and node is accelerating more that
Ruby, Python and Java combined. (http://www.modulecounts.com/ )

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 8:10 PM, Aaron Bartell <aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

How many is actually using these foreign technologies on IBM I, how many

are running PHP, Ruby or Node on IBM I? I doubt that it is a majority or
even a big number of IBM I installations!

I think many of the people using Ruby/PHP/Node on IBM i wouldn't be on
midrange.com and instead would be using the likes of stackoverflow.com and
github.com for collaboration. Why? Because for many situations those
mediums are significantly more effective. For example, it is incredibly
rare for unfruitful debates to occur on stackoverflow.com - they're simply
not tolerated. And GitHub provides a means to efficiently collaborate on
particular projects (aka "social coding").

Node.js is overall a rather new technology (2009) but it is already in the

fast lane and overtaking Ruby in popularity.

Node.js is definitely rising in popularity. It's important note that the
popularity traffic it is getting (as compared to Ruby) is because it is
going through the same innovation motions Ruby/Rails went through the past
decade. Ruby/Rails has reached a point of stability that Node.js will
eventually get to (this is only my perspective) and then the Node.js
popularity traffic will also lessen (though that won't mean the language
isn't good, just that it's reached a point of stability and thus requiring
less frequent technology breakthroughs).



Aaron Bartell

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Henrik Rützou <hr@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

The real problem is that the technology stack changes much faster that

the

life spans of a typical IBM I application.



For many years there where only Websphere/java or CGIDEV2/RPG for web
development, then came PHP and now Ruby and Node.js.



Node.js is overall a rather new technology (2009) but it is already in

the

fast lane and overtaking Ruby in popularity.



I agree with Nathan that many RPG developers has been sitting and waiting
for IBM to fix the problem with a new programming SAA standard for GUI,

but

that will never happen. The only company that has succeeded with that is
Microsoft with .NET that like RPG/SAA for IBM I is a proprietary
development environment for Microsoft OS.



How many is actually using these foreign technologies on IBM I, how many
are running PHP, Ruby or Node on IBM I? I doubt that it is a majority or
even a big number of IBM I installations!

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Nathan Andelin <nandelin@xxxxxxxxx>

wrote:

You don't just go into a shop and force a new technology on them ...

I appreciate your experience with apparently hundreds of RPG shops, and
value your perspective, along with that of all the participants in this
discussion. It appears that in the case of Gad Miron, there is a

mixture

of

Java and RPG programmers.

While not totally clear, my gut feel is that the relevance and future

of

the RPG team may be challenged by the Java team. I've had about 8-years

of

experience in shops with mixed development tracks and could share

stories

about the ensuing turf wars.

RPG teams seem to have a reputation of being stuck in a rut - all the

while

waiting for IBM to hand the world to them on a silver platter. In the

mean

time, they are becoming less and less relevant. My metaphor about IBM
handing the world to them on a silver platter refers to the expectation

of

IBM providing GUI interfaces and tooling which are as cohesive as

display

files and native languages were in their heyday.

I feel at a loss in this discussion without more feedback from Gad.

Again,

what does he hope to do with tooling? And what do they want the tooling

to

do for them?

Nathan.
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