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Re: separate DEV, TEST, & PROD environments survey



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Joel -

Hardly an attack...

/I/ did not write "I fail to see how having only 1 level of libraries matter". That was Charles Wilt - try keeping up with the thread.

Perhaps /you/ are working on an "antiquated" iSeries or AS/400, but I work on a brand-new modern IBM Power system which is running IBM i 7.1.

If you must have an operating system with a multi-level file system, I suggest you consider the Unix, Linux, or the highly dependable Microsoft Windows operating system.

;-)

I'm still not attacking you, by the way...

-sjl


"Stone, Joel" wrote in message news:mailman.7101.1378331458.9013.midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx...

I am not slamming anything or anyone - just asking a question.

How can stating facts be taken as slamming?

You asked a question "I fail to see how having only 1 level of libraries matter. "

And I tried to answer it.

If my response is incorrect, please state what is incorrect instead of attacking me.





-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of TheBorg
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 4:45 PM
To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: separate DEV, TEST, & PROD environments survey

Joel -

Perhaps you need to better understand how naming conventions work, instead
of slamming the best and most secure machine and operating system ever
created...

You are not going to make any friend or get much assistance here with your
attitude.

-sjl


"Stone, Joel" wrote in message
news:mailman.7098.1378330960.9013.midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx...

"I fail to see how having only 1 level of libraries matter. "


One level of hierarchy seems antiquated in that all other OS's allow many
levels.

For example, any other OS could have the following folders:


PROD env
-----
JDE 9.0 containing program lib + data lib + config lib etc
JDE 8.0 containing program lib + data lib + config lib etc
SAP 2.0 containing program lib + data lib + config lib etc
Lawson 3.0 containing program lib + data lib + config lib etc


TEST env
------
Ditto above



DEV env
-----
Ditto above




It doesn't seem possible to do this on iseries as a library cannot have a
hierarchal group above or below, only one level is allowed. So people use
multiple LPARs or boxes to get around this constraint that doesn't exist on
other OS's.










-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Charles Wilt
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 4:05 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: separate DEV, TEST, & PROD environments survey

I've worked in all three types...just depends on the size of the company.

I fail to see how having only 1 level of libraries matter. For that
matter, every single RDBMS I'm familiar with only allows a single level of
schemas.

Once the shop gets big enough, separate LPARs or boxes is probably most
common.

Charles


On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Stone, Joel <Joel.Stone@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

What constitutes separate DEV, TEST, & PROD environments at your
organization?

Must they exist on separate LPARS? Separate boxes?

Or can they all exist on one LPAR with adequate border fences?





Would it be practical to exist on one LPAR and still comply with SOX and
GAAP and a typical big auditing company's security audit?

Or is that not possible in the Iseries world with the antiquated only one
level of libraries and such?

Thanks in advance!



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