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<< Hopefully you bank with a bank where the safe deposit boxes are in the
vault. >>

Yes I do. This ain't my first rodeo, as they say here in Texas. My gun safe
is really fireproof.

Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Krill, Coy
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 5:23 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: cloud backup services - Dropbox

Hopefully you bank with a bank where the safe deposit boxes are in the
vault. I'm familiar with several banks up here in the NorthWest (not my
current employer) that do not have them in the vault and thus they are not
as well protected in case the bank catches fire. In fact I can think of
three of the top of my head whose names I won't mention where you would
probably lose anything but precious stones and metals and your metals would
in all likelihood be slagged in the bottom of the box.

Coy Krill

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Nelson
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 1:25 PM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: cloud backup services - Dropbox
Importance: Low

Not to worry. The really important stuff is in the safe deposit boxes at the
bank. The stuff in the fireproof file cabinet is expendable.

Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Allen
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 3:20 PM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: cloud backup services - Dropbox

While doing some research on fireproof safes recently I came a lot of
information that all say basically the same thing...

"DO NOT store data/media or family photos in a fireproof safe.
The word fireproof means "resistant to fire" and some buyers assume that a
fireproof safe will protect everything. Data and media (photos, CDs/DVDs and
computer disks/tapes, etc) are very sensitive to heat and humidity/moisture
and your standard fireproof safe is not engineered to specifically protect
against these things. Fireproof safes are engineered and designed to protect
paper and keep the internal temperature of the safe below 350 degrees, which
is the critical temperature where paper will start to char and burn. This
method of protection creates steam (moisture) inside the safe. Any sensitive
data or media will be badly damaged or destroyed at or above 135 degrees or
85% humidity.

If you have any special data or media that you need to protect against fire,
a data/media safe is what you should consider purchasing. These safes will
keep the inside temperature below 135 degrees as well as the humidity below
85%."

John


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Nelson [mailto:nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 10:42 AM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: cloud backup services - Dropbox

That's what the NSA thought until Edward Snowden came along.
I'll stick with tapes.

My system is in my office, which is a separate building from my house. The
tapes are in a fireproof file cabinet in the house.


Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Bronski
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 9:35 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: cloud backup services - Dropbox

Did I mention that the data in the backups is encrypted?

On 7/26/2013 4:29 PM, Paul Nelson wrote:
Good point. Carbonite is even worse. Did you know that
medical
insurance companies regularly put your records on
www.box.com?


Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl
J Novit
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 9:24 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: cloud backup services - Dropbox

You should be very careful with anything you put on
Dropbox.
Look at their T &C's. I believe they have the right to do
anything
they want with data stored in Dropbox, though it would be
harder to
use i data vs. PC files.

Thanks,





Carl Novit
Vice President
Extension: 7708





From: DrFranken <midrange@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date: 07/26/2013 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: cloud backup services
Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx



Sounds kinda cool but let me ask a question:

So my system just got flooded and IBM brought be a brand
new system.
I've reloaded my savsys and IBM libraries and am ready to
restore my
users/ programs/ data.

What are the steps to do that from DropBox with your
software?

- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis

www.frankeni.com
www.iDevCloud.com
www.iInTheCloud.com

On 7/26/2013 9:21 AM, Tim Bronski wrote:

If you're looking for something that will let you do more

transactional backups rather than a full DR then you
might want to
have a look at our Dropbox app for IBM i. It's a free
product that
lets you move data between your IBMi and Dropbox. We're
currently
connecting it with our SAVE product that let's you do
encrypted
backups so you'll be able to save and restore directly
from Dropbox.

www.arpeggiosoftware.com

On 7/26/2013 2:14 PM, Mike Cunningham wrote:
It's good to see we have considered the same issues as
we talked here.
We currently have around 750GB used space on a 1.2TB
system. We do a
full user library backup and a full IFS (we store scanned
documents in
the IFS) backup nightly. We do not do only changed
objects. Makes
restore so much easier. We do a full system save monthly.
If we made
this change I would still do the system save and have it
local, off
site in a vault. I would probably still keep a tape of the
nightly
backup locally for quick access for non-disaster restores
and instead
of driving the tapes to the vault daily, replicate the
backup to the cloud.
Option 1 below sounds like what I was considering.

-----Original Message-----
From: DrFranken [mailto:midrange@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 7:14 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Cc: Mike Cunningham
Subject: Re: cloud backup services

<Vendor Response>

At iInTheCloud.com we offer two cloud based backup
options.

1- Back up to a local Crossroads SPHiNX VTL which is
then replicated
automatically to our SPHiNX.
- Advantage is fast backups with a local
copy for
fast
restores.
- Automatic off-site copy as soon as the
backup
completes.
2- Use PowerHA or Mimix or MaxAva or ... to replicate
data to a
partition in our cloud. Backups are then done on our
system and you
have no outage whatever.
- Advantage is data is ALWAYS off site
and current there.
- Advantage is bandwidth is much less as
only changes
cross the wire and they do so all day long as they occur.
- Disadvantage is a local restore is hard
because the
backups are with us!
</Vendor Response>

Nathan's response pointed out one issue
with backups
to
the cloud:
Bandwidth! You need a bunch in most cases unless you can
really
figure
out what to back up each night. Change 1 row in a
500,000,000 row
table and you get to send the entire table with that
night's backup.
If you were replicating to a remote server or partition
ONLY that one
change
goes across so its done instantly.

ALSO COnsider that until the ENTIRE
backup has been
copied off-site you got NOTHIN off site. Partial doesn't
do you much good.
With replication you're current off site almost
continuously.
Just some points to ponder.....

- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis

www.frankeni.com
www.iDevCloud.com
www.iInTheCloud.com

On 7/25/2013 10:46 PM, Mike Cunningham wrote:

Is anyone using cloud backup services for iSeries
nightly backups?
If
you are how much data are you sending nightly and what
service are you
using?

Mike Cunningham
VP for Information Technology Services/CIO Pennsylvania
College of
Technology www.pct.edu<http://www.pct.edu/>



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