RE: cloud backup services - Dropbox

So what, you shouldn't have employees or contractors?

Mark Murphy
STAR BASE Consulting, Inc.
mmurphy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


-----"Paul Nelson" <nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: -----
To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: "Paul Nelson" <nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 07/26/2013 10:42AM
Subject: RE: cloud backup services - Dropbox

That's what the NSA thought until Edward Snowden came along. I'll stick with
tapes.

My system is in my office, which is a separate building from my house. The
tapes are in a fireproof file cabinet in the house.


Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Bronski
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 9:35 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: cloud backup services - Dropbox

Did I mention that the data in the backups is encrypted?

On 7/26/2013 4:29 PM, Paul Nelson wrote:

Good point. Carbonite is even worse. Did you know that medical insurance
companies regularly put your records on www.box.com?


Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl J Novit
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 9:24 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: cloud backup services - Dropbox

You should be very careful with anything you put on Dropbox.
Look at their T &C's. I believe they have the right to do anything they
want with data stored in Dropbox, though it would be harder to use i data
vs. PC files.

Thanks,





Carl Novit
Vice President
Extension: 7708





From: DrFranken <midrange@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date: 07/26/2013 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: cloud backup services
Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx



Sounds kinda cool but let me ask a question:

So my system just got flooded and IBM brought be a brand new system.
I've reloaded my savsys and IBM libraries and am ready to restore my
users/ programs/ data.

What are the steps to do that from DropBox with your software?

- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis

www.frankeni.com
www.iDevCloud.com
www.iInTheCloud.com

On 7/26/2013 9:21 AM, Tim Bronski wrote:

If you're looking for something that will let you do more transactional
backups rather than a full DR then you might want to have a look at our
Dropbox app for IBM i. It's a free product that lets you move data
between your IBMi and Dropbox. We're currently connecting it with our
SAVE product that let's you do encrypted backups so you'll be able to
save and restore directly from Dropbox.

www.arpeggiosoftware.com

On 7/26/2013 2:14 PM, Mike Cunningham wrote:

It's good to see we have considered the same issues as we talked here.

We currently have around 750GB used space on a 1.2TB system. We do a full
user library backup and a full IFS (we store scanned documents in the IFS)
backup nightly. We do not do only changed objects. Makes restore so much
easier. We do a full system save monthly. If we made this change I would
still do the system save and have it local, off site in a vault. I would
probably still keep a tape of the nightly backup locally for quick access
for non-disaster restores and instead of driving the tapes to the vault
daily, replicate the backup to the cloud.

Option 1 below sounds like what I was considering.

-----Original Message-----
From: DrFranken [mailto:midrange@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 7:14 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Cc: Mike Cunningham
Subject: Re: cloud backup services

<Vendor Response>

At iInTheCloud.com we offer two cloud based backup options.

1- Back up to a local Crossroads SPHiNX VTL which is then replicated

automatically to our SPHiNX.

- Advantage is fast backups with a local copy for fast

restores.

- Automatic off-site copy as soon as the backup

completes.

2- Use PowerHA or Mimix or MaxAva or ... to replicate data to a

partition in our cloud. Backups are then done on our system and you have
no outage whatever.

- Advantage is data is ALWAYS off site and current there.
- Advantage is bandwidth is much less as only changes

cross the wire and they do so all day long as they occur.

- Disadvantage is a local restore is hard because the

backups are with us!

</Vendor Response>

Nathan's response pointed out one issue with backups to

the cloud:

Bandwidth! You need a bunch in most cases unless you can really figure

out what to back up each night. Change 1 row in a 500,000,000 row table
and you get to send the entire table with that night's backup. If you were
replicating to a remote server or partition ONLY that one change

goes across so its done instantly.

ALSO COnsider that until the ENTIRE backup has been

copied off-site you got NOTHIN off site. Partial doesn't do you much good.
With replication you're current off site almost continuously.

Just some points to ponder.....

- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis

www.frankeni.com
www.iDevCloud.com
www.iInTheCloud.com

On 7/25/2013 10:46 PM, Mike Cunningham wrote:

Is anyone using cloud backup services for iSeries nightly backups? If

you are how much data are you sending nightly and what service are you
using?

Mike Cunningham
VP for Information Technology Services/CIO Pennsylvania College of
Technology www.pct.edu<http://www.pct.edu/>