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John,

If you need an example of a non-US, non-english-as-a-first-language,
non-northen-hemisphere member of this list, you have me!
I'm from Argentina, yet i havent faced what you mention.
I concur with other comments that context and explanations are a lot easier
to answer than one cryptic "is it working?" question.
I know that translating all that context into english might be difficult
but if you dont do it, who will? us? we dont have an inkling of what your
situation is...

Best Regards,



On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 9:36 AM, <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

John,

First, in your defence, replies like the comment about India are rather
inappropriate. No, this list is not restricted to North Americans. And
despite what some people believe, it's not restricted to just North
Americans and those from northern European countries.

But, I will say a little more effort on your part to restrict the scope of
your questions may help. For example; on your JD Edwards question, if you
had stated something like "I am using the JDE installation guide and I
have completed chapter xx of the initial installation and I am wondering
if there is some verification command to see if it has completed
successfully" may have been taken more to heart. Maybe even some more
background as to why you're asking the question. This could range from
"There were no disheartening messages upon the completion of the steps. I
am just wondering if they have something like CHKPRDOPT"
or
"I received message 'xxxxxx' at the end and I am not sure if that is
normal or not".


Rob Berendt
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From: John Mathew <johnmathew400@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date: 06/15/2013 02:14 PM
Subject: Re: Appreciate Midrange Forum.
Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx



Hi Vern,

Ok I agree with your points.

Can some one explain why I got below answer when my question was pretty
straight forward.
Actually I was looking for a logic not the complete code if some explains
the logic that's more than enough.
At the end of the I'm going to face my manager/Employer for the work that
he assigned to me.

A fresher will ask a entry level questions only what you expect from him,
obviously it will take time to gain knowledge. I'm not going to
steal/snatch any one job here I just started my career...

John
Or perhaps a signature line like,
"John Mathews' IT offshoring may cause disruptive U.S. job layoffs in
the near term but the burgeoning middle class in Bangalore, India, will
be a future export market for U.S. because we will buy American-made
goods"




________________________________
From: Vernon Hamberg <vhamberg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, 15 June 2013 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: Appreciate Midrange Forum.


Hi John

Thank you for saying more about yourself - that really helps in any
forums like this.

I would not say your questions look stupid. They just seem very brief,
with not much background. People on these lists - all of them - have
busy lives, so a question with no context is not going to be looked at
well. Why should anyone go to the work it takes to dig out important
details? This just clogs up the forum with unhelpful posts.

This isn't just this group or just me being an unfriendly guy! The
webpage on asking good questions says much the same thing.

So I
suggest using more words - your recent question about JDE - maybe
your boss asked you to look into this - if it's OK to tell us that
without violating some company policy, it's helpful to do that. And say
something about where you've looked, or that you have no clue!

If someone is a student, I think we would be OK with giving some help,
IF that person were open enough to say they are a student. I dare say,
no student is going to ask questions about JDE!!

In summary, please keep asking questions. Just give the group some
context - use more than 1 sentence.

I've been on these lists for maybe 18 years - yikes! I know more now
than I did then, and much of that I owe to the generous people on these
lists. And I've even been privileged to meet some of them. This truly is
a community helping each other. That's one reason I guess I'm sensitive
to anonymous posts and posters. Still, that's probably my
issue.

Someone may have put the link to the asking-questions document. That
document has been really helpful to me, so I don't recommend it out of
spite or any other unhelpful motive. It's tone can be a bit harsh, but
it makes very helpful points, which will net you better responses in a
group like this.

I just took a look at the document again - here's a quote I liked -

"Odds are you'll screw up a few times on hacker community forums"

We all have. But it's important to learn, not give up, be encouraged,
all that good stuff.

So, here it is again - http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

I think we're all about learning how to fish, not giving someone a
pre-cooked fish stick.

Cheers
Vern


On 6/15/2013 9:21 AM, John Mathew wrote:
Hi David,

The forum
is really helpful to the AS/400 user's appreciate your hard work patience
to build the forum.
and yes as we all know the forum has got a world wide recognition.
I respect you all for giving the support what ever I have learnt so far
yes its defiantly from Midrange
Forum and of course Rob.

However I would know below few things

Is this forum is only for experienced person?
Is this forum is only for a particular country?

If so please let me know I will unsubscribe from midrange.

I just started my career in AS/400 and most of the queries which I
ask looks stupid to experience persons. Well we all started our career
at some point of time so I started it now ..that's it

I still believe Midrange its a pure technical discussion forum so any
one can raise the quires
irrespective of senior or junior...

John



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From: Eric Lehti <elehti@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, 14 June 2013 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: JDE Software Installation.


John Mathew,
Depending on your definition of "is JD Edwards installed correctly".

Do you see a message on your screen that says something is broken?
Maybe your implementation team's spending $2 million on JD Edwards was
the wrong decision.
Maybe you should
switch to SAP, which can be installed for
$5 million.



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