RE: Recommendations for a newcomer?

<<If they have current programming staff,>>

There's the rub. Almost all of the Americans were laid off when they plunged
down the outsourcing "Black Hole". Their American contracting firm is gone
in 30 days.

Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Coy Krill
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:23 AM
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Subject: RE: Recommendations for a newcomer?

Synon is pretty easy to understand. If they have current programming staff,
it should take them much to understand how it works, especially if they find
an Action Diagramming book at half-price books or something like that. I
believe they guys name was Martin that wrote the book we considered our
"Synon Bible" even though it wasn't specifically about Synon. They had a
really good tutorial too IIRC that covered designing a relational database
and writing the application in Synon to manage it.

coy

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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark Murphy/STAR BASE
Consulting Inc.
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 06:27
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Subject: RE: Recommendations for a newcomer?

There is Synon talent out here, and it isn't hard to learn, though it may be
hard to find folks who aren't already employed.

Mark Murphy
STAR BASE Consulting, Inc.
mmurphy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----"Paul Nelson" <nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: -----To: "'Midrange
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From: "Paul Nelson" <nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 05/14/2013 03:51PM
Subject: RE: Recommendations for a newcomer?

And then there's Synon. One of my clients is hamstrung because a bunch of
their business critical code is written with Synon.

Any guesses where the remaining Synon talent sits these days?

Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Hopkins
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 2:30 PM
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Subject: RE: Recommendations for a newcomer?

Any ASSET programmer they find better know RPG....At least that was my
experience with the case tool even before it was used with BPCS.

Regards,
Bill Hopkins

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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:19 PM
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Subject: RE: Recommendations for a newcomer?

Isn't the reason that LX is now in RPGLE due to the fact that that Infor
can't find ASSET programmers? At least that's what one of the LX support
folks told me a while back.

:-))

Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of rob@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 2:16 PM
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yeah, and that new version of Infor LX we put on that's written in RPGLE...
And all those ads I am getting for Infor LX that hit many of the web sites I
frequent (including facebook and linkedin).

Said with no sarcasm and with total sincerity.


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From:   Michael Schutte <mschutte369@xxxxxxxxx>
To:     Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date:   05/14/2013 12:17 PM
Subject:        Re: Recommendations for a newcomer?
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hmm i wonder what I'm doing then... no new development in RPG. Okay.


On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Dan Kimmel
<dkimmel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

RPG and COBOL are dead. No new development in these languages is being
done. Others on this list may disagree: I ask them to provide concrete
examples of development being done beyond a few modules in either

language.

That being said, there are millions upon millions of lines of code in

both

languages that will need maintenance and improvement for the next

century

or so.

The problem is that RPG and COBOL are just not tool-able to the extent
others are.

If you want to be close to the metal, learn C. If you want to write very
high-level stuff using standard libraries and open source libraries,

learn

Java. If you want to write code for PC that runs on Microsoft PC's learn
Visual Basic or C#. If you want to write mobile apps, learn Java or
Objective-C.

CL is easy and doesn't take long to learn. It is has limited

applicability

besides IBMi system operations. If you want to be an IBMi systems

operator

or systems administrator, learn CL.

Notice that nowhere do I mention C++. I think it is dead, too.

There are other languages that have niche markets; python and php, for
instance.

If you're going to do anything with user interfaces, learn html, xml,
javascript, CSS and xmlTransform .

There's no single language you can learn that is going to carry your
career. You're have to learn to learn new stuff every day.

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Clay B Carley
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:06 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Recommendations for a newcomer?

Being new to midrange systems, I'm attempting to pick up skills that
will be useful for me in the future, in hopes to get a job working with
them.  Reading articles that say things like COBOL is uncool, and RPG is
worse isn't really giving me hope for a future working with a midrange
system though.

Is it going to be worth my time to learn things like CL, COBOL, and RPG
now?  Or are they fading away?  It would be pretty sad to finally become
proficient with these languages, only to find out that they are dead and
replaced with <blah> instead.

What would you recommend a newcomer focus on (aside from system
operations)?

Reading Rob's message from last week regarding "20 years of experience,
versus one year of experience repeated 20 times" looks like a pretty
good starting place I suppose.  I'm really trying to look at where we're
going to be in the years to come, not necessarily tomorrow.

Thanks for any suggestions,
Clay Carley
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