This is another good use of this list, let's tell everyone the vendors who don't support 7.1 (bet we see some movement from them). This way people know. By now, every vendor should support 7.1. I understand if a vendor doesn't support an older release of their software on 7.1, but they should *Definitely* support their current version of their software on 6.1 & 7.1.



Pete Massiello
iTech Solutions

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of rob@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:26 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: Budgeting to replace V5R4

EOL on V5R4 was not 1/27/2009. That was announced end of Marketing.
Meaning you weren't supposed to be able to buy new copies of V5R4 for your new system, nor get support upgrading to V5R4 from an earlier release before then. I think they extended that out to 5/27/2011. End of support isn't until end of September 2013. Then again, your definition of EOL and mine might differ.

I recently heard of people saying they were only upgrading to 6.1 because they're vendor doesn't support 7.1, yet, after two plus years of general availability. Love to know who those vendors are. You also had a good question about are there vendors who do not support 6.1 yet. You can spot those who are killing off their i accounts.

It took a long time for Trend Micro to support Scan Mail for Lotus Domino on IBM i 7.1.

And nothing nauseates me more than a vendor who thumps their chest and brags they support back to V3R2 but can't support the current release until a couple of years after GA.

Rob Berendt
IBM Certified System Administrator - IBM i 6.1 Group Dekko Dept 1600 Mail to: 2505 Dekko Drive
Garrett, IN 46738
Ship to: Dock 108
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From: Gqcy <gmufasa01@xxxxxxxxx>
To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx,
Date: 09/17/2012 02:13 PM
Subject: Re: Budgeting to replace V5R4
Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx

Are there people that are stuck on
V5R4 (hope not, end of life was 1/27/2009) due to vendor not supporting
Any other reasons, other than budgetary?

How many of us are held back from a 7.1 (G.A. 04/23/2010) upgrade due to
lack of vendor support?

On 9/17/2012 10:20 AM, rob@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
Many of you are preparing budgets for next year. I've got no dog in
fight, but you may want to consider adding upgrading from V5R4 to your
budget. End of service for V5R4 is end of September of 2013.

You can get an extension but IBM will REALLY, REALLY rake you over the
coals financially for it. Besides, all that buys you is one year of
for a LOT of money.

I suggest you read the Memo to Users for both 6.1 and 7.1. Some items
consider in your budgeting:
- Are you current with IBM software subscription?
- ANZOBJCVN. This may (almost guarantee WILL) affect some vendor
purchased software. If you're behind on your vendors versions of
that are supported on 7.1 then there may be some serious costs
= Paying up back support
= Replacing the vendor if back support is too pricey or if they still
don't support 7.1, which has been out for 2.5 years now. We replaced a
few packages that we're dragging their feet on 6.1 versions when 6.1
came out. IBM gave them a year's notice on ANZOBJCVN prior to 6.1 and
got tired of them milking maintenance for nothing.
= Training on the new version (or replacement) of your vendor
When we jumped from BPCS 405CD to LX 8.something we put everyone through
non software specific ERP training and then LX training. (Note: You
get 405CD to work past V5R4 but it WILL require applying some BMRs.
- Domino:

- Hardware: Is all your hardware currently supported on something
than V5R4?
There are some cards etc which may need to be replaced. Including
otherwise supported on these releases:
- Actually doing your OS upgrades. Some of you contract that out versus
doing it in house. IBM or your BP may provide you a quote on that.

Rob Berendt

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