RE: Why i??? NEED YOUR INPUT

Hi,

I think you got some points right: IBM is currently not investing anything for stuff the developer really can use in their day-to-day work. For example look at the libraries that comes with the standard JDK. You have nothing comparable in the RPG arena. They could have started with porting some of the C libraries to the i and create some ILE C modules so that they are available from every ILE language. They even started and ported the GLIB and Xerces library some years ago. Good start but they only did half the job (Where are the prototypes? Where is the documentation? Where is the easy installation process to get it installed with the ease of one command?). ... and don't come around with the excuse of "We got now a graphical IDE: WDSc". No they changed that to RDi... heck no, they changed the name again to RDP. And LPEX still sucks. Where is the investment in RDP when it sucks so much that I could have written it on my own that bad. And when you ask what sucks about LPEX then just have a look at the Eclipse Java editor or take a look at Visual Studio.

I totally agree with you when it comes to IBM's software investment concerning RPG. But I totally disagree with you about making IBM i open source. The IBM i already has such a small community. Now take the people who are interested in open source and now take the people who would also take their time and develop some open source stuff and are allowed to publish it => Almost nobody. I can count the people really publishing open source stuff for RPG on one hand (even if I cut off two of my fingers) in my country. You don't come even close to the number of people you would need to do any work on the os. And even if they released some patches who would install them?

So you really need to wake up. This is not the linux community and not the java community. Things don't work that way here.

My 2 cents.

Mihael


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From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Richter
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 8:33 PM
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Subject: Re: Why i??? NEED YOUR INPUT

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 1:39 PM, <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

So you're saying that MS never grew much since their start up days, and
they are soon to close?  Or when did they open source their operating
system and compilers?

oh, I think the MSFT approach to its OS, languages and frameworks is
best. They invest a huge amount of money in their stuff and are
getting solid value for the investment. C#, XAML, .Net, WPF,
Silverlight - cutting edge, great products. IBM could compete with
this - consider what IBM i would be like if IBM had been investing
$1Billion a year on IBM i software R&D since the day the AS400 was
announced? Since IBM will not make anywhere close to the level of
investment needed to compete head on against MSFT, you have to open
source to survive.

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From:   Steve Richter <stephenrichter@xxxxxxxxx>
To:     Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:   02/25/2010 01:15 PM
Subject:        Re: Why i??? NEED YOUR INPUT
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On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Aaron Bartell <aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Hi All,

Was on a call with IBM and the YiPs team yesterday.  They are looking

for

ways to liven up, and modernize, their message about the benefits of the

IBM

i.  The cool thing is that the folks on the phone weren't your

traditional

marketing folks but people that have grown up with the machine and

actually

BELIEVE it is one of the best platforms for business today -

specifically

the IBM i OS.

The people on the phone might not have been traditional marketing
types, but they are asking the same, traditional question.

IBM keeps its new stuff like Open IO under wraps compared to MSFT
which releases beta and RC bits far in advance.

You have to open source the system for it to grow and prosper. The OS,
ILE, and RPG.  ( DB2 is not needed if the code which couples the
database to the OS is published. )

Been doing Silverlight work lately.  Fascinating how decoupled the SL
client is from the server OS. Windows server and even SQL server have
nothing special to offer a SL client which the client can't get from a
server like IBM i, Linux or AIX.

-Steve
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