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Continueing off the record...

Touey is also out and there's probably others on the way as well..

You mentioned that COMMON had said they were going to adopt cheaper room
rates at the last conference...so, why is it that the IBM conference room
rate was about $150/n and the COMMON room rate is about $237/n AT THE SAME
HOTEL within, what, 9 months of each other???

IBM had guarantees for about 800 attendees for meals...so that's a good
indicator on the TOTAL number that were there... So, what warrants the
higher room rate??? Do you think COMMON REALLY listened to the people...



-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Richard Reeve
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:25 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: COMMON conf room rates....

I don't know about anyone else, but I for one have heard enough about this
topic.  I've had my email clogged up throughout the day with little more
than whining and complaining. 

Enough already.


Warmest Regards,

Richard Reeve




________________________________
From: Don <dr2@xxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 4:53:18 PM
Subject: RE: COMMON conf room rates....

Trevor,

The argument is conceptually same.  Quit trying to use stupid stalling and
smoke screen tactics...that stuff got old in kindergarten...

The fact remains, and has for several years, the VENU COSTS TO THE ATTENDEE
are, as stated by Ron, OUTRAGEOUS.  This has been brought up at BOM NUMEROUS
times by NUMEROUS people...and it just gets ignored...so, Trevor, ignore us
and we'll probably ignore you...it's that simple...and I think Ron made a
great case for it.

Tevor, I'm not hearing solutions from you, I'm just hearing arguments for
keeping the status quo in a sinking ship.  Is that what happens when you get
on the board??

DR2

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Trevor Perry
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 12:31 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: COMMON conf room rates....

Ron,

I appreciate your perspective, but the current debate is about the cost, not
the rising costs. I was making a case that the perception that conference
has now "BECOME" expensive is a misnomer. The complaint/argument is ~always~
that it is expensive - a complaint made even when it was in Reno and
relatively cheaper.

Trevor

P.S. My thoughts are still unaffiliated with organization. Or even with an
organization..




On 11/16/09 11:51 AM, "Ron-Zimmerman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"
<Ron-Zimmerman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

For once I have to disagree with Trevor.

We may see this same argument before every conference, but that's because
the conference locations are very expensive.

The conference itself has always been and remains a good value, but the
choice of locations makes it very expensive for those of us who don't live
in those expensive cities.

If you live in New York, Chicago, LA, then you don't think the room rates
and other expenses are out of line.  But for those of us who live in the
less expensive parts of the country, the $200+ per night room rate is
ridiculous, not to mention the cost of meals in those locations!

--
Thank you,
Ronald L. Zimmerman
Email: Ron-Zimmerman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 11/16/2009 10:17:37 AM:

Actually Paul, we are not talking about how expensive the conference has
"become". This is the same conversation for every single past conference
since midrange-L has been in existence.

It is simply the same old tired argument that gets beat around for the
sake
of showcasing the whining of a few old tired arguers.


P.S. These thoughts are my own personal thoughts and reflect no
organization.


On 11/16/09 10:59 AM, "Paul E. Fenstermacher" <paulf@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

As long as we're talking about how expensive the conference has become
how
about we discuss the feasibility of moving COMMON, the corporation,
out of
Chicago.  Why is it there?  Why can't the offices be moved to a less
expensive
area of the country?  How about Rochester, MN.?  Kansas City?  There
must be
hundreds of locations where this struggling organization could be
relocated.


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