Re: Jobs running without a program stack -- MIDRANGE-L

When I upgraded the S/6 M6 from 8K to 16K (the max), it was $10K. The CE
showed up late one day, and we could not give up the machine, as we were
doing a billing run (a few hours). So he left the memory, to install the
next morning. The cleaning man threw out the box as garbage. I never paid
for it, as it never went "code 20".

Al

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Boy, that is old, Al! Our first /3 (a Model 10) came with 24K. When we
upgraded to 48K (cost > $100k, if I recall correctly), we thought we
were in heaven.

I visited a LUG member in Charlotte a few years ago that was still
running a Model 15 (forget which letter). The only command I could
remember was D CORE. They had never seen that, but heard later that the
programmer/operator would sit at the console browsing memory to check
the status of long print jobs!

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Al Barsa wrote:

Booth,

You're showing your age: 8 MB. Yes, I remember the S/3 days of 5 K.

Al

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I remember that. Was it 8 mb or 8 kb? of memory? We were allowed to
us 5 in our programs; the rest was for the system. Overlays were
common, and we made sure to put like operations together, and never,
ever divide in a program. Short titles on printed reports could get
rid of overlays. It was really pretty limited.

I remember the terrible time all of us had with the concept that a
record could be other than 80 or 96 characters long.

Ah, those were the days.

Al Barsa wrote:

It almost had enough memory to IPL. 8MB!

Al

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The first IBM computer I worked on was a 1620 using SPS. First S/38 was

model 8. We were going to go with a Model 5 but upgraded to the 8 before
delivery

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Did that once with a Model 15D (and, if you know what that means, you

are old).

First IBM system I ever worked on as a high school co-op student in
1980.
So you don't have to be that old (45) to remember the 15D.

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Sounds more like Al used it as a heater. Did that once with a Model 15D
(and, if you know what that means, you are old).

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Ingvaldson, Scott wrote:

You used a 595 as a thermostat?!

What will those guys in Roch. think of next?

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This sounds like a caper for IBM support. 50 batch jobs is a lot, but

maybe not for a 595. The only time I have used a 595 was when testing
V5R4 on a 570, and we used it to regulate the temperature in the
freezing computer lab in Rochester.

Al

Al Barsa, Jr.
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Hi All

One of our customers is experiencing a strange problem with some batch

jobs running in a subsystem. The subsystem allows up to 50 jobs to
run and there are currently 35 or so showing when we do a WRKACTJOB.

A number of the jobs are in status EOJ and have been for the last 10
hours. There is no CPU usage happening on these jobs. If I do a
WRKJOB on one of the jobs with a status of EOJ and then try to display

the call stack there is a pause of between 1-2 minutes and then

nothing shows.

If I then do a WRKJOB on a job with a status of RUN that shows a
function of PGM-xxxxxxxx the same thing happens, there is a pause and
nothing showing in the call stack.

There are no untoward entries in the joblog, and if I try to work with

any locks for the job the screen just hangs.

They are running v5r3 with PTF C6178530 installed on a model 595.
Everything I've found on Google points to PTFs that have long since
been superseded or microcode package GA1. I believe that being on a
595 they should be on microcode package GA3, but don't know how or if
I can confirm that.

Has anybody seen this type of thing before or got any suggestions as
to what could be causing this?

Thanks

Jonathan

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