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albartell wrote:

4- Fully agree, there is a very small group of applications that still workbetter in a fat client, most application will work better in web.

When an application looks good, is fast, gives clear error messages, provides help where needed, then it can not be developed better in a fat client. Sure, you can do someting as good, but not better.
If both browser and fat client are equaly good for the user, you need to consider other factors, like easy to maintain, easy to extend to more users, to other OS. And last but not least: *security*. Both ways you have concern, but often people put all the business logic in the fat client because it is easier for them.

Raul, do you have examples of solid browser applications that couldn't be
developed better in a fat client? Note that we aren't talking reporting
tools (i.e. display only applications).

I feel like there is a sector of people here that carry two things around in
their pockets - left pocket=water bottle, right pocket=browser Kool-Aid; and
whenever you need a lift you quickly mix the two and announce to the world
that HTML/CSS/Javascript are better than what one could develop in a thick
client?

Can ANYBODY give me an example application? Does somebody have one within
their walls that I could see in a private meeting (I have a GoToMeeting.com
account I can use so I can see your screen)? I just want to see what others
are developing that surpasses a thick client simply because I have NOT seen
anything like what is being said here.

Just because the browser has had a lot of success in the last 5 years
doesn't mean that it is somehow now better than thick clients for enterprise
applications. I wont argue that you could create a reasonable application
in the browser that is pretty fast and can insert and update information in
a database, but to say that it is better than a well developed thick client
equivalent seems off to me.

Aaron Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Raul A. Jager W.
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 2:00 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: GUI development language

There are a few, very few applications for which it is better to run
locally. I don't have a "crystall ball" but it seems that web is taking
over and with time passing you will have fewer...

Now respect to your points:
1- MS has resources, but its goal is to lock users into windows, not to free
them to use other OS.

2- Typicall business application (display account, balances, etc. record
purchases, paymentes, etc.) uses JavaScript to improve usability, not as a
critical part. My experience is that pages in web take between 50 and 300
miliseconds, not 3 secconds. It is true that a 10 green screen program will
translate to 10 web programs, but also 10 green screens will take much more
than a second.

3- Neither says "al green screen shoud be replaced by fat clients"

4- Fully agree, there is a very small group of applications that still work
better in a fat client, most application will work better in web.

5- In case you work with people who only know windows, web looks very
complicated, slow, etc.




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