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If your company will allow it.

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From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tommy.Holden@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 2:50 PM
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Subject: RE: RPG Cycle (was: RPG IV Certification)

using SQL CLI you CAN put it through a QA process...but i digress...

Thanks,
Tommy Holden



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Not when production is locked down and you have to update it with a
program that has been through the QA process.


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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Trevor Perry
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 2:40 PM
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Subject: Re: RPG Cycle (was: RPG IV Certification)

Sharon,

What did I forget - every i5/OS has SQL built in!

If you need the developer tools, sure, you have to pay. But you can still
run SQL without the developer tools.

Trevor


On 8/20/07 3:23 PM, "Sharon Wintermute" <SWintermute@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

And you seem to forget that not every shop has SQL.
I never said it was a modern language, I simply said the cycle has its
uses.


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From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Trevor Perry
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 2:21 PM
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Subject: Re: RPG Cycle (was: RPG IV Certification)

Sharon,

You can do most of your cycle programs with one line of SQL. You should
stop
comparing the cycle to anything else - it is not a modern language.


Trevor


On 8/20/07 3:16 PM, "Sharon Wintermute" <SWintermute@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

You aren't the only teacher around. I have taught classes as well so I
know
better.
As to languages, I know far more than just RPG so don't try to lecture
me.

I can do in 3 lines in the cycle that takes more in non-cycle.

Try sticking to the old saying "if you can't say something nice, don't
say
anything at all."


Sharon


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From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Behalf Of Trevor Perry
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 2:11 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: RPG Cycle (was: RPG IV Certification)

Sharon,

I used to teach a class called RPG for Performance and Maintainability.
I
always had programmers who were Java or COBOL programmers who would
thank me
for giving a session that they could understand. Some reality, eh?

In this world where a programmer can learn a new language in a few
weeks,
why would we not expect a programmer to understand a program written in
another language? Most differences between languages boil down to
syntax -
other than the cycle, probably :-) To say that a programmer should be
limited to one language - now you are not in the real world.

And the beauty of the NEW techniques is that they work, they are easier
to
maintain, and improve responsiveness of the IT organization. Who says a
new
technique would require 80 lines of code over 3 for a cycle program?
Using
ILE with the ability to plug in modules, I expect most new programs are
MUCH
shorter than your old RPG - cycle or not.

I started with the cycle - 25 years ago. I maintain programs that use
the
cycle - for most of those 25 years and also in 2007. If you want to
tell me
to shut up, you may want to try another approach.

Trevor



On 8/20/07 3:01 PM, "Sharon Wintermute" <SWintermute@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Trevor,

I usually don't respond to this kind of rhetoric, but it is quite
obvious
you
do not have a clue what reality is all about.

The idea that a COBOL programmer should be able to maintain RPG is not
valid.
That's like saying a Java programmer can maintain PL/1.

The beauty of some of the old techniques is THAT THEY WORK.

Writing code in 3 lines versus 80 is definitely a plus. This also
reduces
program size, memory requirements, etc. You should use whatever
technique
gives the best result "for that application". Sometimes its cycle,
usually
it
is not.

Since you plainly don't know how or why to use the cycle stay quiet.


Sharon Wintermute

PS. Under 50 and have used the cycle.



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