Business Applications and Infrastructure are equally important.
Neither works without the other. A company without working Active
Directory means that almost nothing will work. Same probably if the ERP
system is down.
People still running Windows 2000 are stupid (or have an extended Hotfix
Agreement). But at least Microsoft is still providing Security updates
for Windows 2000 - not so for older OS/400 releases.
Running a release that is no longer supported is grossly negligent.
One of the larger problems here is that ISVs still support outdated
releases. If ISVs would act reasonably and stop supporting older
versions of the software running on unsupported operating systems, less
problems would be had. Of course there's always the exception if you pay
big money for extended maintenance contracts.
This is exactly how it works on other platforms - and those don't have 8
year old servers running critical business infrastructure.
-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Crump, Mike
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:33 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: New redpaper: i5/OS Program Conversion: Getting readyfor
i5/OSV6R1
"Is this any different than many win servers still running Win2000 ?"
I think so. While there may be plenty of W2K servers out there I'd
question what they are really running. Business applications or
infrastructure applications? File server, print server, DNS, DC, cute
little freeware application, etc. Am I developing on one vs. the other?
If I'm developing or modifying applications then I'm assuming that there
is some sort of inferred progress going on. What is the investment into
one vs. the other? If you were investing more money or programming time
wouldn't you expect to put more into that investment to protect it? And
I've yet to hear of a W2K server replaced by a System i because the W2K
server wasn't considered modern. However, I've seen plenty of old
AS/400's and systems with old releases replaced by WINTEL solutions.
Those replacements might have happened no matter what.
We have a perception issue - I just think that all of these old
installations that are on old hardware or old releases are adding to it.
Plenty of other factors are involved of course.
Michael Crump
Manager, Computing Services
Saint-Gobain Containers, Inc.
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From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Franz
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 6:38 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: New redpaper: i5/OS Program Conversion: Getting readyfor
i5/OSV6R1
Holy *&^%. That might help partially explain why the system is not
considered modern.......V5R1 was announced in 2001, V5R2 was announced
in 2002, V5R3 announced in 2004. Makes almost any other Wintel or
Unix
system look like it is comparatively ultra modern to i5/OS when in
fact
it isn't.
Is this any different than many win servers still running Win2000 ?
...
I'm working on a customer's upgrade from v4r5 (a 720) to new box & v5r4.
The ONLY reason it took them so long to upgrade was a (non-IT)
management
mentality that replaces equipment only when forced to (the lack of
horsepower and disk finally got enough mid managers to scream, even
though end users had been complaining for years).
Jim Franz
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