Re: IBM and the vanishing System i

Trevor, et al,

Don in DC

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At 02:04 PM 1/9/2007 -0600, you wrote:

Joe,

My concern is that SOA is represented correctly. A 50,000 foot overview is
always good - and as SOA evolves and matures, it is nice to get the latest
picture.

I would suggest you could use some of the 'best' IBM speakers who are more
neutral in their perspective of SOA. That would include Al Grega, Alison
Butterill and Pat Fleming, for starters. I saw Al and Alison in action at
Interaction Melbourne in October - both were well received for their
strategic and technical view. All three can offer you the high level
perspective, along with the technical detail worthy of OMNI. The advantage
with these speakers is that they are not going to be offering you Websphere
as the only solution for SOA, and they will not be wanting to sell your
attendees any services.

I apologize if there were any slight laid on OMNI about this. You know my
personal SOA perspective, and I am determined that it is approached
correctly - as an architecture, not a technical solution. My concern is that
if we sell Websphere as SOA, and Leonardo is a Websphere guy, we are back to
misrepresentation - something to which you and I are vehemently opposed.
On the other hand, as the new Community and Networking leader for COMMON, I
am working hard to provide additional support for LUGs. OMNI is definitely a
leader in that regard, and I would like to see your efforts benefit other
LUGs. SOA is important to all of them, and I would like to see no
misrepresentation made there, either.

Trevor



----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Pluta" <joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 12:18 PM
Subject: RE: IBM and the vanishing System i


>> From: Trevor Perry
>>
>> I was assured it was you who opposed the SOA sessions that were
>> specifically cancelled. I was told all SOA sessions were cancelled.
>> Apparently someone lied.
>
> You're awfully sweet in suggesting that I have the power to overrule the
> entire board of Omni <grin>.  Rest assured that all decisions on the board
> are made as a whole.  Whoever "assured" you was yanking your chain, and
> evidently quite successfully.
>
>
>> I am glad you are having SOA represented at OMNI. I am rather
>> disappointed
>> that after your words to me at devcon about how SOA should be
>> represented,
>> you are now having IBM's perspective on SOA as the only one you chose.
>> Especially after you agreed with my assertion that IBM uses SOA to sell
>> Websphere,
>
> Actually, I'm less worried about WHO talks about SOA as to WHAT they talk
> about.  We've basically been hearing the exact same 50,000 foot buzzword
> speech for several years now; it's time to start actually putting these
> things into practice, which our sessions will cover.
>
>
>> and you expressed thanks for the neutral way I approached SOA.
>
> I guess THAT particular olive branch was a wasted effort <smile>.
>
>
>> Your past outcries against SOA don't fit with using IBM as the correct
>> representation of SOA.
>
> My "outcries against SOA" amount to not wanting to hear any more blue-sky
> theory.  SOA without implementation details is as satisfying as EDI
> without
> specifications.  In fact, we already have that... it's called Web
> Services!
>
>
>> And using an IBM Websphere speaker for SOA is confusing..
>
> Again, what we're doing is what we ALWAYS do at Omni: we provide sessions
> and speakers heavily weighted towards specific technical implementation
> details.  We've always used IBM speakers, and always will, and Leonardo is
> the guy.  Whom would you have recommended?
>
> Joe
>
>
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