Re: Saving the System i: Fight Rather Than Switch

Interesting point.

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The problem is when they don't evolve out of PASE and make it truly
native.  The API's in PASE are limited and suck performance.  That is one
of the major reasons that IBM itself dropped support of i5/os for TSM.
They didn't want to put any more dollars into supporting i5/os and
therefore dropped the platform entirely.  If you want to run TSM on i5 you
now have to load up a Linux or AIX lpar.

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Hey  - that "crud" is someone else's code. Would you like them calling
your
stuff "crud"?

Besides, the System i is the INTEGRATION server. And, if we can run their
applications faster in PASE than they can run native on their server, why
would we NOT bring it over here? IBM brought Notes over to PASE first, and

it was way faster. Then they moved it to native. Why is that a bad thing?

And, isn't it a GOOD idea to run it on the i - then we CAN replace all the

other "crud" servers?

So what if they call it "native" - it helps our world domination.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Palmer" <neilpalmer400mr@xxxxxxxx>

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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: Saving the System i: Fight Rather Than Switch

"- Crud being ported from other systems and stuffed into PASE and being
labelled "native" when it is even less native than S/36 environment. "

EXACTLY !!  Well said Rob.  Another thing I've been complaining about

for

a while.


Neil Palmer, Cambridge, Ontario, Canada
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----- Original Message ----
From: "rob@xxxxxxxxx" <rob@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:13:39 AM
Subject: RE: Saving the System i: Fight Rather Than Switch

I agree that the disk is terribly overpriced.  I have an urgent project

to

archive Domino email to a cluster of two Domino servers on Windows and
Linux.  The i5 disk is getting way too expensive.  Especially when one

of

your Domino cluster boxes is a 270-DSD that has the maximum number of
drives, and the largest drives, supported on it with the maximum

expansion

supported on it.
What will happen to that 270 in the long term?  Well, since V5R4 is the
last version supported on it and we won't be running anything as old as
V5R4 a year after it's follow on is available it will be going out the
door.

Serious storage condition may exist. Press HELP.
Serious storage condition may exist. Press HELP.
Serious storage condition may exist. Press HELP.
Serious storage condition may exist. Press HELP.

When my boss starts migrating stuff off to less expensive hardware you
better believe that's something.

Reliability?  Kinda iffy on that.  Lots more problems lately.  Could be
any number of things:
- Getting the box to do more and more things increases complexity
- Newbie dweeb programmers don't give a rip about quality
- Crud being ported from other systems and stuffed into PASE and being
labled "native" when it is even less native than S/36 environment.  We
don't expect Linux or PC-XT to run CICS or i5 based RPG applications,

why

should we think that wedging it in is a good idea?  They rewrote Domino
for the i5 and it kicks a$$.  If they had to do it over again they
probably would have done it in PASE and it would suck swamp water.

Support?  Just try getting support from IBM on why Linux running on a

lpar

on a 570, that uses an IBM SAN switch to communicate to an IBM tape

drive

reconfigs the tape drives after every IPL and you have to manually
reconfig the buggers in TSM.  Have full maintenance on 570.  Have
maintenance on SAN switch, have maintenance on 3582 (and you do NEED
that).  Now IBM wants an additional $10,000 for SAN support.  Just for
this simple set up!!!???
Radar O'Reilly:  "I don't think what he said is physically possible."
Hawkeye:  "You're right - he does have a lot to learn about anatomy."


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