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Hi Joe,Nice rant, but you didn't address the part of Walden's post that you quoted that I found interesting -- has our favorite gotten less stable? Is there any quantitative assessment that could prove it one way or another, say # ptfs per release? Or if we're talking hardware, # service requests per new model? Or should I expect more preaching to the choir, with anecdotes instead of hard facts?
*Peter Dow* / Dow Software Services, Inc. 909 793-9050 pdow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:pdow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> / Joe Pluta wrote:
From: Walden H. Leverich You forgot "Native GUI" as well... I don't want to put words into people mouths, but it seems to me that lots of people like to complain about the competition, or spread fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD) about alternate platforms, but when it comes down to it, the box isn't as stable as it used to be, and the alternatives are clearly enterprise-capable and have been for many years.I've been staying out of this conversation, because it's lots of opinion and not a lot of fact, and frankly there's enough hot air out there that mine doesn't need to be added. But this is one place I'll remain adamant: despite all the hobbledehoy out there, there still isn't a Windows solution that comes near the stability, security and scalability of an iSeries. The stories prove it. If it were doable, then we'd hear plenty of stories about successful conversions from the iSeries to .NET or whatever other desktop OS you want to name. There are none. Instead, what we hear is stories like Paul's, where a conversion from a working iSeries environment to Oracle simply DOES NOT WORK. Now, I absolutely believe that a properly architected system could be written using Apache/Tomcat and some high-performance SQL-only database. You'd need somebody who understood how to properly get around the single-record access issues; a standard ORM or EJB approach would fail miserably, and frankly I don't think there are that many people out there who still understand the concept of good database programming. SQL has all but destroyed the brains of an entire generation of programmers (Dr. Codd is probably spinning in his grave). Watch what happens when an SQL question is asked on the list: trial and error and suggestions and corrections. Taking a week to handcraft a single SELECT statement via trial and error simply isn't programming. It's mental gymnastics (that's NOT the term I was going to use at first, but most email filters would have choked at my initial phrase). Yes, it could be done. But I daresay there isn't a single application being developed today that has anywhere near the efficiency of most decade-old RPG applications. And THAT'S why nearly every attempt to move off of the iSeries, if it gets accomplished at all, costs more, works less, and takes longer than anybody estimates. Okay, that's my rant for the day. Joe
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