Re: Internships was: iSeries ads taken over by xSeries

At 02:30 PM 1/17/2006 -0500, you wrote:

It really is up to IBM then.  iSeries Nation can't change much...right?

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Subject: RE: Internships was: iSeries ads taken over by xSeries


Regardless of the reasons, the iSeries market is declining. I don't know
if that will change or not. But there isn't a pressing need for people
to get into the iSeries marketplace. I was adjunct faculty at a
community college for a long time. We trained all the iSeries people
that the area needed. Enrollment in iSeries classes dropped
significantly. The college made the descision to change to teaching MS
classes. The classes have been full for years now.

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> Subject: Internships was: iSeries ads taken over by xSeries
> From: rob@xxxxxxxxx
> Date: Tue, January 17, 2006 1:43 pm
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> We used to do internships.  We just haven't had any need for new meat
> lately.  I suspect it's like that at a lot of local businesses.  And Fort
> Wayne just lost Waterfield Mortgage.  That was a large iSeries and pSeries
> shop.  Saw one of them post on the midrange-jobs this week.  When you've
> got a lot of experienced talent out pounding the pavement, why train new?
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> Why not get local businesses involved and offer internships at iSeries
> shops...or something like that?  Why wouldn't companies start in-house
> training for their iSeries folks, start at operations and work into
> programming?  What do they have to lose?
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> From: Don <dr2@xxxxxxxx>
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> Sent: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:08:35 -0500
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> Bingo Trevor!
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> Well, education seems to be the key here, Trevor.
>
> Frankly, what education IS current IT getting??  Once again, let's rehash
> this again as IBM still doesn't get it.  Students in ANY IT ciriculum
> today
> are being forced Window and Unix dialects, databases, IDE's, languages,
> methods....  That's what they learn in school.  That's the ONLY
> talent/knowledge base they bring to the market place.  That's what they
> want to buy/work with/hire/promote/etc....
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> Gee, is there any question why we're seeing what we are??
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> At 11:52 AM 1/17/2006 -0600, you wrote:
> >It is sad, really... A little education goes a long way. Lack of
> education
> >creates ignorance and keeps us in the last century..
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Don"
> >Subject: Re: iSeries ads taken over by xSeries
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> > > Actually, I have no idea how it was implemented, and you're right, but
> the
> > > IT Dir's position was that all the drop downs, etc., were killing the
> > > front
> > > desk folks's performance...   Their words, not mine.
> > >
> > > Oh well...time for more important things...like lunch.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 11:26 AM 1/17/2006 -0600, you wrote:
> > >>Poor implementation of a GUI does not make 5250 better!
> > >>
> > >>:-)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: "Don"
> > >>Subject: Re: iSeries ads taken over by xSeries
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> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > Jerry,
> > >> >
> > >> > What WAS interesting was talking to a IT Dir at a casino/hotel that
> had
> > >> > wanted to replace all the front desk check in 5250 devices with
> > >> > GUI/Windows...  The front desk people bitched so loudly that
> > >> > GUI/Windows
> > >> > was slowing them down that the GUI was replaced accross the board
> with
> > >> > 5250
> > >> > devices again... :)
> > >> >
> > >> > Don in DC
> >
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