RE: Windows 2K3 Active Directory using AS400 DNS

Don't you need to add an SRV record. 

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Today's Topics:

   1. Time to get serious (Dave Odom)
   2. RE: Windows 2K3 Active Directory using AS400 DNS (Kurt Goolsbee)
   3. RE: Time to get serious (Joe Pluta)
   4. Re: Time to get serious (Michael Ryan)
   5. RE: Time to get serious (Joe Lee)
   6. Re: Time to get serious (Michael Ryan)
   7. RE: Time to get serious (Joe Pluta)
   8. RE: Time to get serious (Joe Pluta)


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message: 1
date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:38:28 -0700
from: "Dave Odom" <Dave.Odom@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Time to get serious

Joe,

Others may have pointed this out but....

Yes, it IS time for YOU to get serious with your statements:

"... the power that only RPG can bring you.  You must be joking...  As
there are many other languages that are super powerful and available on
the iSeries. 

"RPG: assembly language for your database,"   Again, you must be joking
and I caution you not to say that around anyone that works on other
platforms; you'll embarrass yourself.   RPG is NOT assembly language!! 
Its Report Program Generator. 

"available only on the iSeries!"   Yep, while somewhat powerful, no
other platform would have RPG; they laugh at it.  It's esoteric and
oriented to one platform of consequence and not regarded in well rounded
IT circles. 

Again, I would not shout the above too loudly.

Dave Odom
 

 



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message: 2
date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:11:35 -0600
from: "Kurt Goolsbee" <kurt.goolsbee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: RE: Windows 2K3 Active Directory using AS400 DNS

It has nothing to do with EIM.  EIM is just a mapping of user identities 
in
different registries.  It also has nothing to do with Kerberos as it is 
just
used for authentication.  When you create a Windows Domain in needs to
publish services that Windows is able to provide in SRV records in DNS. 

This is the set of steps to enable dynamic updates (from Infocenter)

DNS indicates that a zone is dynamic when objects are defined in the
allow-update statement. To configure the allow-update option, follow these
steps: 

1) In iSeries Navigator, expand your iSeries server --> Network --> 
Servers
--> DNS. 
2) In the right pane, right-click your DNS server and select 
Configuration. 
3) In the DNS Configuration window, expand Forward Lookup Zone or Reverse
Lookup Zone. 
4) Right-click the primary zone you want to edit and select Properties. 
5) In the Primary Zone Properties page, click the Options tab. 
6) On the Options page, expand Access Control --> allow-update. 
7) DNS uses an address match list to verify authorized updates. To add an
object to the address match list, select an address match list element 
type
and click Add... You can add an IP Address, IP Prefix, Access Control 
List,
or Key. 
8) When you have finished updating the address match list, click OK to 
close
the Options page.

Kurt

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Subject: Windows 2K3 Active Directory using AS400 DNS

Greetings all, 

I have setup an IXS with Windoze 2003 Active Directory. (Something that I 
have to do).  I have enabled Dynamic DNS on my 400 and allow it to perform 

incremental to the Active Directory secondary DNS server.

The problem that I have is when I attempt to add another server / new 
workstation to the Active Directory, I receive an error message that the 
Domain Controller is not available.  The help states that the SRV record 
is not in DNS.

>From the research that I have done, I need to setup Kerberos on the 400 
and set the KDC server on Windoze. 

Has anyone had any issues like this before?  How did you get DDNS on the 
400 to work with Microcrap, through EIM?

Thanks in advance, 
Richard A. Frye
Software Consulting Hardware, Inc.
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message: 3
date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:06:21 -0600
from: "Joe Pluta" <joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: RE: Time to get serious

Oh my, Dave <wiping tears>.  I haven't laughed this loud in a while.

But let's do something, shall we?  Let's you and I sit down and write an
MRP generation.  I'll use RPG, you use the super powerful language of
your choice.  Mine will be done faster, run quicker and have more
features than yours, guaranteed, or I'll publicly get on this list and
apologize.

But until then you're just trolling, dude.  And that being the case,
don't expect any more responses from me until you either take me up on
my challenge or at least explain what language is better for
navigational database access and why, rather than taking unfounded
potshots at RPG. 

Joe

P.S. "Not regarded in well rounded IT circles"?  Oh no!  Not the well
rounded IT circles!  <giggling profusely>




> From: Dave Odom
> 
> Joe,
> 
> Others may have pointed this out but....
> 
> Yes, it IS time for YOU to get serious with your statements:
> 
> "... the power that only RPG can bring you.  You must be joking...  As
> there are many other languages that are super powerful and available
on
> the iSeries.
> 
> "RPG: assembly language for your database,"   Again, you must be
joking
> and I caution you not to say that around anyone that works on other
> platforms; you'll embarrass yourself.   RPG is NOT assembly language!!
> Its Report Program Generator.
> 
> "available only on the iSeries!"   Yep, while somewhat powerful, no
> other platform would have RPG; they laugh at it.  It's esoteric and
> oriented to one platform of consequence and not regarded in well
rounded
> IT circles.
> 
> Again, I would not shout the above too loudly.
> 
> Dave Odom



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message: 4
date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:05:44 -0500
from: Michael Ryan <michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: Time to get serious

Well rounded crop circles...

On 2/28/05 08:06 PM, "Joe Pluta" <joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Oh my, Dave <wiping tears>.  I haven't laughed this loud in a while.
> 
> But let's do something, shall we?  Let's you and I sit down and write an
> MRP generation.  I'll use RPG, you use the super powerful language of
> your choice.  Mine will be done faster, run quicker and have more
> features than yours, guaranteed, or I'll publicly get on this list and
> apologize.
> 
> But until then you're just trolling, dude.  And that being the case,
> don't expect any more responses from me until you either take me up on
> my challenge or at least explain what language is better for
> navigational database access and why, rather than taking unfounded
> potshots at RPG. 
> 
> Joe
> 
> P.S. "Not regarded in well rounded IT circles"?  Oh no!  Not the well
> rounded IT circles!  <giggling profusely>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> From: Dave Odom
>> 
>> Joe,
>> 
>> Others may have pointed this out but....
>> 
>> Yes, it IS time for YOU to get serious with your statements:
>> 
>> "... the power that only RPG can bring you.  You must be joking...  As
>> there are many other languages that are super powerful and available
> on
>> the iSeries.
>> 
>> "RPG: assembly language for your database,"   Again, you must be
> joking
>> and I caution you not to say that around anyone that works on other
>> platforms; you'll embarrass yourself.   RPG is NOT assembly language!!
>> Its Report Program Generator.
>> 
>> "available only on the iSeries!"   Yep, while somewhat powerful, no
>> other platform would have RPG; they laugh at it.  It's esoteric and
>> oriented to one platform of consequence and not regarded in well
> rounded
>> IT circles.
>> 
>> Again, I would not shout the above too loudly.
>> 
>> Dave Odom



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message: 5
date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:25:06 -0800
from: "Joe Lee" <LeeJD@xxxxxx>
subject: RE: Time to get serious

He's right about the  "Not regarded in well rounded IT circles". Of
course thats largely because its  "Unknown in most IT circles". How many
programmers under 35, other than those who have programmed on an
AS400/iSeries, have even heard of RPG, not many. And of those few who
have heard of it, I'll bet that most of the think its some old, dead,
language. RPG isn't even included on any of the charts I've seen that
trace the development of programming languages, or on any of the lists
of programming languages I've seen. In 5 years of Computer Science
classes it was never mentioned, not even in the "Programming Languages"
class that was supposed to talk about various obscure languages. And
those few people who have heard of RPG probably think of RPGII or older,
which you have to admit doesn't do anything good for it's reputation. 

One of the things IBM needs to do is to expose the academic world to
how great "new" RPG is, and how great the iSeries is. If new CS and
business majors came out of college with the idea that the iSeries was a
great, new, state of the art computer I bet there would be a lot more
demand for it. Heck, if they came out of college with the knowledge of
the existence of the iSeries it would be great. Instead most people
think of "mainframes", and most people would probably classify the
iSeries as a mainframe, as ancient dinosaurs that died out 20 years ago.
When they find out that the business that just hired them still uses one
of these ancient computers they push for the business to "get with the
times", cause everyone knows that Unix or wintel boxes are what business
should be running on. Can you even get the tubes to repair those old
mainframes anymore? And weren't they the cause of all that time and
money we spent on Y2K, why do we still have them.

Joe Lee

>>> joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 02/28/2005 17:06:21 >>>
Oh my, Dave <wiping tears>.  I haven't laughed this loud in a while.

But let's do something, shall we?  Let's you and I sit down and write
an
MRP generation.  I'll use RPG, you use the super powerful language of
your choice.  Mine will be done faster, run quicker and have more
features than yours, guaranteed, or I'll publicly get on this list and
apologize.

But until then you're just trolling, dude.  And that being the case,
don't expect any more responses from me until you either take me up on
my challenge or at least explain what language is better for
navigational database access and why, rather than taking unfounded
potshots at RPG. 

Joe

P.S. "Not regarded in well rounded IT circles"?  Oh no!  Not the well
rounded IT circles!  <giggling profusely>




> From: Dave Odom
> 
> Joe,
> 
> Others may have pointed this out but....
> 
> Yes, it IS time for YOU to get serious with your statements:
> 
> "... the power that only RPG can bring you.  You must be joking... 
As
> there are many other languages that are super powerful and available
on
> the iSeries.
> 
> "RPG: assembly language for your database,"   Again, you must be
joking
> and I caution you not to say that around anyone that works on other
> platforms; you'll embarrass yourself.   RPG is NOT assembly
language!!
> Its Report Program Generator.
> 
> "available only on the iSeries!"   Yep, while somewhat powerful, no
> other platform would have RPG; they laugh at it.  It's esoteric and
> oriented to one platform of consequence and not regarded in well
rounded
> IT circles.
> 
> Again, I would not shout the above too loudly.
> 
> Dave Odom

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message: 6
date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:40:37 -0500
from: Michael Ryan <michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: Time to get serious

I agree. The majority of programmers either don't know about RPG or have a
preconceived notion based on long ago experience. And who should be blame
for this? Well...look around at the RPG programmers you know. How many are
comfortable using built-in functions? Procedures? ILE? Free form? Mixed 
case
statements for crying out loud?

The iSeries community doesn't like change. The people that are on this and
other lists are the exception, not the rule. Will this change? It 
could...if
the iSeries maintains/gains some critical mass and it's embraced more by
industry.

Teaching it in the schools doesn't matter until there's a demand. As more
boxes are installed, more programmers will  be needed. It's not the other
way around - more trained programmers does not equal more industry 
adoption.
IBM needs to market and sell these boxes as whatever - server 
consolidation
or ecommerce or the buzz word du jour...and then there will be a need.

On 2/28/05 08:25 PM, "Joe Lee" <LeeJD@xxxxxx> wrote:

> He's right about the  "Not regarded in well rounded IT circles". Of
> course thats largely because its  "Unknown in most IT circles". How many
> programmers under 35, other than those who have programmed on an
> AS400/iSeries, have even heard of RPG, not many. And of those few who
> have heard of it, I'll bet that most of the think its some old, dead,
> language. RPG isn't even included on any of the charts I've seen that
> trace the development of programming languages, or on any of the lists
> of programming languages I've seen. In 5 years of Computer Science
> classes it was never mentioned, not even in the "Programming Languages"
> class that was supposed to talk about various obscure languages. And
> those few people who have heard of RPG probably think of RPGII or older,
> which you have to admit doesn't do anything good for it's reputation.
> 
> One of the things IBM needs to do is to expose the academic world to
> how great "new" RPG is, and how great the iSeries is. If new CS and
> business majors came out of college with the idea that the iSeries was a
> great, new, state of the art computer I bet there would be a lot more
> demand for it. Heck, if they came out of college with the knowledge of
> the existence of the iSeries it would be great. Instead most people
> think of "mainframes", and most people would probably classify the
> iSeries as a mainframe, as ancient dinosaurs that died out 20 years ago.
> When they find out that the business that just hired them still uses one
> of these ancient computers they push for the business to "get with the
> times", cause everyone knows that Unix or wintel boxes are what business
> should be running on. Can you even get the tubes to repair those old
> mainframes anymore? And weren't they the cause of all that time and
> money we spent on Y2K, why do we still have them.
> 
> Joe Lee
> 
>>>> joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 02/28/2005 17:06:21 >>>
> Oh my, Dave <wiping tears>.  I haven't laughed this loud in a while.
> 
> But let's do something, shall we?  Let's you and I sit down and write
> an
> MRP generation.  I'll use RPG, you use the super powerful language of
> your choice.  Mine will be done faster, run quicker and have more
> features than yours, guaranteed, or I'll publicly get on this list and
> apologize.
> 
> But until then you're just trolling, dude.  And that being the case,
> don't expect any more responses from me until you either take me up on
> my challenge or at least explain what language is better for
> navigational database access and why, rather than taking unfounded
> potshots at RPG. 
> 
> Joe
> 
> P.S. "Not regarded in well rounded IT circles"?  Oh no!  Not the well
> rounded IT circles!  <giggling profusely>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> From: Dave Odom
>> 
>> Joe,
>> 
>> Others may have pointed this out but....
>> 
>> Yes, it IS time for YOU to get serious with your statements:
>> 
>> "... the power that only RPG can bring you.  You must be joking...
> As
>> there are many other languages that are super powerful and available
> on
>> the iSeries.
>> 
>> "RPG: assembly language for your database,"   Again, you must be
> joking
>> and I caution you not to say that around anyone that works on other
>> platforms; you'll embarrass yourself.   RPG is NOT assembly
> language!!
>> Its Report Program Generator.
>> 
>> "available only on the iSeries!"   Yep, while somewhat powerful, no
>> other platform would have RPG; they laugh at it.  It's esoteric and
>> oriented to one platform of consequence and not regarded in well
> rounded
>> IT circles.
>> 
>> Again, I would not shout the above too loudly.
>> 
>> Dave Odom



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message: 7
date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:04:03 -0600
from: "Joe Pluta" <joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: RE: Time to get serious

In my mind, a programmer that doesn't know about RPG is by definition
not particularly well rounded -- they in fact have a significant hole in
their knowledge of programming.  It's kind of like saying COBOL is not a
major language.  You may not LIKE the language, but to dismiss it says
more about you than the language.

And anybody who dismisses ANY programming tool out of hand just because
it's not well-known by the under-35 crowd is... well, let's just say
they aren't high on my list of potential hires.

Joe


> From: Joe Lee
> 
> He's right about the  "Not regarded in well rounded IT circles". Of
> course thats largely because its  "Unknown in most IT circles". How
many
> programmers under 35, other than those who have programmed on an
> AS400/iSeries, have even heard of RPG, not many.



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message: 8
date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:10:02 -0600
from: "Joe Pluta" <joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: RE: Time to get serious

All fine and good, but RPG is a hell of a language WITHOUT all the new
stuff, Michael.  The concept of navigational database access within a
procedural language is absolutely crucial to learning proper programming
and database design, and you don't need procedures and BIFs and /free
for that.

Not that I dislike the new features; I think they make the language
easier to use and, what the hell, they may even attract those
programmers who don't know that the data type "Boolean" comes from
Boolean logic.  But RPG is a great language, has been for decades, and
continues to grow and evolve in ways that few other languages can match.

Joe


> From: Michael Ryan
> 
> I agree. The majority of programmers either don't know about RPG or
have a
> preconceived notion based on long ago experience. And who should be
blame
> for this? Well...look around at the RPG programmers you know. How many
are
> comfortable using built-in functions? Procedures? ILE? Free form?
Mixed
> case statements for crying out loud?



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