RE: Time to get serious

Not sure why you take exception, Charles, I pretty much agree with you.
The problem is as you say that businesses don't know the difference, and
students are taking the easier way out.  Back in the day, I didn't take
CS courses to get a job, in fact I had to FIGHT to get my college to
even offer computer courses, and then they stuck me in FORTRAN 101,
where I knew more than the teacher.  I WANTED to learn about computers
and logic and programming because frankly I love programming, which is
probably why I know so many languages today.

The MIS degree is a job placement degree and is useless for those who
need to design business applications.

Joe

> From: Wilt, Charles
> >
> > Which leads to a related point: there's a whole generation of
> > "programmers" being turned out of school these days that
> > really doesn't
> > know anything about programming.  They can push buttons and
> > run wizards,
> > but they couldn't tell you why (NOT (A AND B)) is the same as
> > (NOT A OR NOT B).
> >
> 
> I'm going to have to take exception to this.
> 
> As someone with a recent Computer Science degree (2003) along with 14+
> years of business programming expirence, the problem I see is that
most
> businesses see little or no difference now-a-days between a CS degree
and
> an MIS degree.