RE: I am leaving my company - should I inform top mgmt of major I Tissues?

A good reference from your current employer will also help!

-----Original Message-----
From: Raby, Steve (GE Advanced Materials, consultant)
[mailto:steve.raby@xxxxxx]
Sent: 11 February 2005 09:58
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: I am leaving my company - should I inform top mgmt of major
ITissues?


I think the majority of people have the right of it IMHO, it is all well and
good taking the moral high ground, and maybe you will feel justified and
vindicated at the end of the unemployment queue, but you will not be thanked
by anyone, except perhaps the lawyers who's new car you may be paying for.
The time to talk about it has passed, think of your future and as Sergio
says just come to terms with the fact that clever, caring, and sensible
management, is rarer to find than hens teeth. And to be fair to management
are you aware of all the facts and factors behind management decisions?
Probably not, so bite the bullet and concentrate your energies on finding
the next job.  :-)

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Sérgio Daniel
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 9:47 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: I am leaving my company - should I inform top mgmt of major
ITissues?


I did inform the managment once, and that got me into trouble.

Since I saw things in a different way I took the company to court, (here in 
Germany), but ooho  they got mad, I was right but it made no difference at 
the end for them, but for me, I couldn't get a good job for a long time.



This World is fc* so it is quite hard to have a company which will do the 
right thing.

They do not care, since they believe they are the holders of all the 
knowledge and truth.



Here I am again working on a dummest managment the word can have, and my job

was once again lost, they keep the "brothers & sisters" who do nothing all 
day, but hey forget about it move on.



I saw guys with more than 10 years being "removed" because of stupid 
management, good guys, excellent tech guys, who replace them,...... no one, 
you are right things got worse, does the management cares?!, No...



What I did was is, I do not care.

    and I move on.



Right after leaving the Uni on a Friday after my last exam, I got a job on a

Tuesday, "the word" that guys like me usually said was "hey I do what I love

and my boss even pays for it", but things have changed.







----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Bolhuis" <lbolhuis@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: I am leaving my company - should I inform top mgmt of major IT 
issues?


>I think Ron's approach is right on here.  You certainly risk trouble by 
>telling them because they will likely take one of two views of the 
>situation a) you are bitter or b) you are incompetent because you didn't 
>bring it up even though you've know about it for a long time.  On the other

>hand if you don't tell them it's on your conscience.
>
> Good Luck,
>
>  - Larry
>
> ron_adams@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
>>As a matter of professional courtesy, I think you should tactfully, 
>>without stepping on anybody's toes (if possible) document the issues that 
>>you see. It should be done in a manner and tone of trying to inform 
>>upper-management of some concerns you see and not necessarily exposing 
>>anybody in particular of wrong-doing or ineptitude. Be very careful to 
>>avoid griping and complaining as this kind of a tone simply makes you look

>>like a whiner and your comments will be disregarded.
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Ron Adams
>>Information Technology Group
>>Crane Valves
>>9200 New Trails Dr. Suite 200
>>The Woodlands, TX 77385
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"j s" <jrstone@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>02/10/2005 10:52 AM
>>Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
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>>        cc: Subject:        I am leaving my company - should I inform top 
>> mgmt of major IT  issues?
>>
>>
>>I have been working in my company's IT department for 8 years.  The 
>>company is downsizing, and I got caught up in the latest round.
>>
>>My company's IT department is severely damaging the company and risking 
>>the company's thousands of jobs by being so imcompetent.
>>
>>Should I inform my company's top mgmt of specific technical issues in 
>>their IT department that are destroying the company?
>>
>>Should I go out with a bang?  Or gracefully (without informing mgmt)?
>>
>>
>>Reasons to inform mgmt:
>>  a..     Seems like the right thing to do
>>  b..     They might make needed changes and turn the company around
>>  c..     They need to make serious and fundamental IT changes to survive
>>  d..     Maybe they will keep me on staff
>>
>>
>>Reasons NOT to inform mgmt:
>>  a..     It is sticking my nose where it doesn't belong
>>  b..     No one else does this type of thing
>>  c..     It would probably sound like just another disgruntled employee 
>> spewing giberish
>>  d..     It could cause a shakeup in the IT department and I would lose 
>> friends and the respect of former co-workers
>>
>>Has anyone tried informing top mgmt of problems upon exit of the company? 
>>Was there anything positive that came out of doing this?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>
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