Re: DBCS - traditional Chinese xlating a file -- MIDRANGE-L

In order to translate from Traditional Chinese to English..

We understand that the system must be DBCS capable and that both languages
must be on the system, one primary and one secondary

Once these prereq's exist any manner of methods exist for translation once
this is done, CPYF, JAVA, Etc.

Jerry

----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Vining <bvining@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: DBCS - traditional Chinese xlating a file


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> Jerry,
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> Can you provide a bit more detail on what "translation" you hope to
> accomplish?
>
> Having a DBCS primary language is going to allow you to attach DBCS
> displays and view/render DBCS ideographic data, but what you will be
> displaying is still Traditional Chinese.  Installing the DBCS Traditional
> Chinese secondary language support will allow you to also see various IBM
> supplied displays, messages, etc. in Traditional Chinese; but that's about
> all you're going to get from installing the secondary language (given that
> you already have DBCS English as the primary).
>
> The above is assuming your iSeries is V5R2 or earlier.  With V5R3 all
> systems are DBCS enabled.
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> Bruce
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> been there...tried that...
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> We think that the only way to handle this (translate) is render on an
AS400
> with DBCS English enabled as primary and Traditional Chinese as secondary
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> AS400 has to be the system involved in this translation
>
> Jerry
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>
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> From: Bruce Vining <bvining@xxxxxxxxxx>
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> > Jerry,
> >
> > You do not need to install DBCS Traditional Chinese in order to provide
> > CCSID conversions.  You do need it if you are on a release prior to V5R3
> > and you want to attach DBCS displays, run jobs with a DBCS CCSID and the
> > like; but that doesn't appear to be what you're looking for.
> >
> > But having said you don't need to change your system, you still may not
> be
> > able to convert the data to English.
> >
> > If the names and address were actually stored using the latin alphabet
> and
> > just happen to be stored in CCSID 937 (Tranditional Chinese extended)
> then
> > you could simply create a file using character fields with the same
names
> > as the Traditional Chinese file fields and then use CPYF with
> FMTOPT(*MAP).
> > The system can do this type of CCSID conversion for you.
> >
> > If on the other hand the names and addresses were stored using
> Traditional
> > Chinese double byte characters in a CCSID 937 field (or a variety of
> other
> > possible DBCS CCSIDs) then there's no good way to convert to English as
> > those characters simply don't exist in English.  Here you would need to
> > find some individual or tool to convert/translate the Chinese
ideographic
> > characters to phonetic equivalents (which may have some "customer
> > satisfaction" issues as you will now be addressing people in English
> where
> > previously they were addressed using Traditional Chinese).  This
> > consideration will not change just because you do or do not have
> > Traditional Chinese installed on your system.  If the names and
addresses
> > are currently ideographic I would strongly suggest leaving them as such
> > (and make the appropriate changes to your applications and system) if
> that
> > is an option.
> >
> > Bruce
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> > I have a file on tape of 5K names and addresses that was formerly stored
> on
> > an
> > AS400 in DBCS - traditional Chinese.  I need to translate the file into
> > English.  Seems straight forward but getting the DBCS Trad Chinese
> ordered
> > (IBM
> > is stalling) and installed on a test AS400 (IBM said to scratch/reload
> the
> > OS)
> > is proving extremely difficult.
> >
> > Anyone know of a service that can perform this task or a simple roadmap?
> > Anyone
> > ever done this?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> >
> > Jerry Draper
> > Trilobyte Software Systems
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