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Hmmm.  We just purchased a dev system through PartnerWorld and we did not
have to be at a certain level.  There are levels in PartnerWorld but you
don't get to choose.  Your level beyond the bottom is determined by how much
you help drive sales of IBM stuff.  There are options that you can pay for
that get you some extra benefits.  We did not pay for anything extra to
qualify for the development system.  All that was required was to enter a
product development plan and get PartnerWorld to approve it.  An entry dev
system will probably cost you around $225 / month on lease.  We opted for
the 50% off.  End-to-end the process took about 1 month but we side-stepped
credit approvals by prepaying with a certified check.  Sure it costs the
same as a Kia, but it doesn't take up as much space.

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark S. Waterbury
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 9:48 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: Model 170 for Personal Development

Some clarifications are in order:

You can EITHER lease at 1.5% per month, OR you can purchase at 50% off list,
IF you are a member of ParterWorld for Developers at the appropriate level
(costs around $600+ per year fees to join at that level). 

So, you would be looking at a minimum of around $500 per month for a lease
on the hardware with the basic i5/OS that comes "bundled" with the hardware.

Notice that this includes only the "base" i5/OS, without any compilers,
development tools, etc.  So, you would have to add whatever other IBM
Licensed Program Products you might need (e.g. 5722-WDS, 5722-QU1, 5722-ST1,
etc.) and then add the cost for the software licenses fees for those
products to the total, and then compute the lease amount based on that
total... this can easily double your monthly payments, depending on what
software you need.

Also, if you lease a box from IBM, you must keep the machine under a
maintenance contract for the hardware and software, (SupportLine or whatever
they call it now, combining hardware and software support), so add another
$250+? per month or so for that... 

I think you are probably looking at about $1,250 per month for an i5 520
with a reasonable set of development tools software...

IMHO, for one person doing development, an i5 model 520 is far more CPU
power than you would ever need; it has a CPW rating of 500... I know several
consulting firms who run on a model 270 with a rating of  ~150 CPW (batch);
they have 10 developers banging away, full-time! 

I am not "knocking" IBM's pricing here; I just want to try to give a more
accurate picture, for anyone who is considering looking into such a lease
for "personal" use.  

Remember, companies can "expense" lease costs different from how they must
depreciate equipment purchases (say, over 5 years). The idea behind the
PartnerWorld for Developers lease is that a BP leases it for 24 months, and
then turns it in and lease a brand-new one. That way, the BPs always have
the "latest and greatest" hardware and software, so they can support their
(and IBM's) customers with all the latest stuff (at least, in theory).

I think it is terrific how IBM continues to improve the "price/performance"
of these systems, year after year. They basically double the performance for
the same price every two years! Phenomenal!

Hope that helps...

Regards,

Mark S. Waterbury

----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jones, John (US)" <John.Jones@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:48 AM
> Subject: RE: Model 170 for Personal Development
>

> That would make an i5 520 Value Edition come in at under $6 grand.  Or
> under $180 a month for leasing. And that's for a box with 70GB disk,
> 512MB RAM, and 500 CPWs.  Nice.
> http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries/hardware/smallmed/520/brows
> e.html
> 
> John A. Jones
> Americas Security Officer
> Jones Lang LaSalle, Inc.
> V: +1-630-455-2787 F: +1-312-601-1782
> John.Jones@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kurt Goolsbee [mailto:kurt.goolsbee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 5:57 PM
> To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
> Subject: RE: Model 170 for Personal Development
> 
> I've purchased lots of used AS/400 systems.  Nothing like being on a
> budget.
> Starting with V4 systems, the reseller can sell you the hardware only or
> they can transfer the OS400 license along with it.  As far as I can tell
> the POE (piece of paper) is not worth much.  Once the system is sold,
> IBM tracks ownership on a mainframe somewhere.  When they say Base OS
> they mean OS400 and some other non-chargeable options like Java and the
> HTTP server.  Other licensed programs, even if they are non-chargeable
> must still be licensed to be legit.  Check with the reseller, sometimes
> they have POE's that they will sell for other licensed programs like a
> compiler or PDM.  
> 
> *** One key thing you must get your reseller to do, is to submit the
> paperwork to IBM to get the machine registered in your name.  Without
> the transfer you will not be able to get an upgrade or a license keys,
> should you need them, from IBM.  Without the resellers help you have a
> snowballs chance of getting the IBM to change owners in their system.
> This is without a doubt the biggest problem with buying used systems
> (even if you buy them used from IBM).
> 
> On the developer lease from IBM, the entry systems are at 1.5% of list
> per month for lease and 50% off for purchase.  
> 
> Kurt
> 
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