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Mike,

Same thing has been happening in the UK - most of my colleagues in IT are
unemployed and have been for the last two years or so, while the government
has been 'fast tracking' in Bosnian refugees and Iraqi asylum seekers who
will work for £5 an hour. And by the way, the IT company that does all the
government contracts (Inland Revenue, National Insurance, etc) and regularly
screws up is EDS - someone mentioned them earlier.
However, the NHS has been hiring nurses from the Philippines and other cheap
labour areas for a while now, and teachers also were being hired from
Australia and other places, so we're ahead of you on that one!
The government is still saying we have a skills shortage, actually the only
skills we are short of are plumbing and suchlike - you can't get a plumber,
and they can name their price.

cheers,

Clare
Clare Holtham
Director, Small Blue Ltd - Archiving for BPCS
Web: www.smallblue.co.uk
IBM Certified AS/400 Systems Professional
E-Mail: Clare.Holtham@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Mobile: +44 (0)7960 665958
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Naughton" <mnaughton@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: The Journal News: Flow of jobs overseas has human toll


> One sentence that struck me in this article was, "Teachers, nurses,
> musicians, psychologists and construction workers are safe for now." It
> seems to me that construction workers are only safe as long as there's
> something to build. With businesses moving off-shore, there won't be any
> commercial construction, and if no one else has a job there won't be an
> residential construction, either.
>
> Musicians are only safe as long as other people have disposable income to
> buy their products. Teachers are only safe as long as schools have enough
> money to pay them (how safe to the teachers in your local school system
> feel these days?). Health care workers are basically in the same boat.
>
> I may be missing something, but I don't see how you can have an expanding
> economy based on everyone selling services to everyone else. To really be
> expanding, someone has to generate new wealth, and the only one of those
> professions that does that, arguably, is construction.
>
> I don't think the problem is capitalism so much as it's our overall "me
> first" culture that cuts across political and class boundaries. We haven't
> built a society based on people caring about each other -- we've built one
> based on me going after what I can get and you going after what you can
> get and both of us telling ourselves that that's the best way to be. As
> individuals, we may behave differently with people we know and/or feel
> close to, but look around: all businesses want to do is maximize profits,
> all consumers want to do is get the lowest price, all workers want to do
> is get the fattest paycheck, and anyone who tries to suggest that maybe we
> should have different goals is treated like a naive dreamer. (Case in
> point: the factory owner in Lowell, Mass, who refused to lay off workers
> when his factory burned. He was hailed as a hero, but he was also written
> off as an oddball -- nobody seriously suggested that he might be setting
> an example that other business owners should actually follow.)
>
> I'm not particularly sanguine about the future, but you never know. I
> think it's a very hopeful sign that a lot of people seem to be waking up
> to what's going on. . . .
>
> Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> >>The New York Times article on IBM seems to be generating a lot of other
> >>press articles on the flow of job overseas, such as the one below...
> >>
> >>http://www.thejournalnews.com/newsroom/072703/d0127offshore.html
>
>
> Mike Naughton
> Senior Programmer/Analyst
> Judd Wire, Inc.
> 124 Turnpike Road
> Turners Falls, MA  01376
> 413-863-4357 x444
> mnaughton@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
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