Re: webfacing and competing products

Joe,

The simple answer is, you do not understand newlook. First, it only screen
scrapes if you turn OFF all the functionality. That way, you can screen
scrape 1500 screens out of the box IMMEDIATELY. No overnight process. If you
want GUI, you will take a little longer, of course.

As for me, I am a GUI advocate. You keep on screen scraping, and I will keep
on refacing.

I think they need us to shut up now.. For me to continue this argument, I
tread carefully around a line between discussing refacing and discussing my
software. You keep plugging PSC/400. Since I am providing you the vehicle
for that, and annoying our fellows, I am backing out of this.

Trevor

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Pluta"

> > From: trevor perry
> >
> > I think refacing iSeries applications is a viable industry. I live
> > in it. There is no "good" or "bad".
>
> Yes there is good and bad, unless you're selling arms to both sides of the
> conflict.  Of course you won't say screen scraping is bad, because that's
> what newlook does!  It's a screen scraper!
>
> I'll give you a straight answer: refacing the 5250 data stream is a bad
> strategic technology, no matter how you do it.  It locks both the
> applications and the UI into that dependency.  That's even before you add
> the interactive tax.
>
> Any product that relies on the 5250 data stream is a bad choice, and
should
> only be considered as a short-term throw away technology.  That being the
> case, it better be cheap, and your users better get used to ugly, because
> any time spent on customization is lost time that can only be used in
> conjunction with that vendor's product.
>
> On the other hand, any investment you make in JSP technology will then be
> available to other projects - including non-iSeries projects, or
> cross-platform efforts.  JSP is completely open, and as long as the
JavaBean
> interface is done correctly, it's completely reusable.
>
> You don't want to use my tool?  Fine!  Buy my book, and do it yourself!
> Everybody seems to forget - long before I was a product vendor, I was a
> technology evangelist and I gave this stuff away for free.  The industry
> came back with a big yawn in 2000 and told me they needed a tool to do it
> for them, so I developed PSC/400.
>
> It's not that hard, just a lot of details.  Or else bite the bullet and
> redesign your applications from the ground up.  But whatever you do, don't
> waste time and money going down the screen scraper road.  Because then,
even
> if you do get rid of the 5250 data stream, you're now locked into a tool
> vendor's proprietary language.  That's pretty much the definition of going
> from the frying pan to the fire.
>
> Joe
>
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