RE: That's all folks!

As an OS/400 person, I'm a bit confused about this "open" and "free" OS
thing.  If I buy a Unix box, I don't have to buy the OS license and
support from the vendor?  I can buy a Sun box and just load a downloaded
copy of Unix on it?

And if it is truly open, then what do I do when I need support?  Is that
free?  What sort of testing standards are there for this open code?

I'm sorry, I just don't see the perceived benefit to an open OS as opposed
to a proprietary one.  If that's true, why is the most used OS in the
world (at least in number of machines), Windows, proprietary?   And it
certainly isn't free.

the iSeries is a better box, because it uses advanced concepts like single
level storage and TIMI (technology independent machine interface).  It's
true 64 bit.  And it's OS is the most helpful, stable and consistent that
I've seen.

And what's more - it's all running on a Unix box, if truth be told (or AIX
is running on an iSeries, if you prefer).

If we want to talk about the value of open - then talk about where iSeries
is going - to an open box that will run Unix, OS/400, Linux and/or Windows
(the 64 bit version when it comes out).

I think open hardware like that will have a lot of value over the supposed
value of open software.


Jeff Carey





"Shahan, Ray" <rshahan@SchoolSpecialty.com>
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<ahem>, folks, this is the AS400 newbie (18 year hp veteran), and I'd like
to offer a different point. All of you speak of the AS400 in terms of it's
'better than anything else out there'...let's just clear that up
quickly...it isn't.  The AS400 has some cool stuff, DEC's Alpha has some
cool stuff, hp's MPE/ix has some cool stuff, and UNIX has some cools
stuff.
All three of these proprietary OS's have things that they do better than
their competitors, but not one of them reigns supreme overall...I can say
this because I've worked with all three of 'em (a little UNIX too)...but
we
can leave it as IMHO.

The most important point about these proprietary OS's is not what one does
better than the other, rather, it's what all 3 have in common...they are
proprietary OS's, and right now, that ain't good in the public eye.

Let me explain, GM tried for years to shake the image of the Oldsmobile
brand as an old fogies car, the slogan was "This is not your fathers'
Oldsmobile".  Try as they may, GM could not get the 'younger' generation
to
buy the Oldsmobile brand, and hence, GM is shutting that brand down.
Oldsmobile's problem is our proprietary OS's problem...our OS's are
perceived as old, and not up with the times, and unless something happens
to
change that mentality, then OS400 and DEC/VAX Alpha will go the way of the
Oldsmobile along with MPE/ix (which has already been condemned by its
owner,
hp).

The true irony in all of this is that UNIX is older than any of the three
proprietatry OS's I've worked with, yet UNIX is perceived as new...HA!!

Last, but by no means least, UNIX (and every other flavor of it) is for
the
most part, a free OS, and free is a hard price to compete with.  Free is
so
lucrative that it allowed the creation and proliferation of a computer
hardware company that had no OS...Sun Micro Systems (SCO UNIX is still a
flavor of UNIX).

Make no mistake about it, hp's MPE/ix OS is a fantastic OS (and IMAGE is a
fantastic proprietary DB), but hp killed both in favor of hpux running on
a
commodity manufactured box...don't think for a minute that IBM isn't
carefully watching hp's results.  Because the success or failure of the
demise of the hp3k, is also the barometer for the future of the AS400.

NOTE: DEC's Alpha is already in the  toaster since hp owns that too.   :-(


Ray Shahan

"Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans", John Lennon

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