Re: OT - Shutting down an RS/6000 ?

>Learning commands in any command shell is much like learning any new
>language. There are always new concepts and idioms to learn, and
>some languages may be more or less difficult to learn than others.
>But what matters most to the average programmer is the ability to
>express complex tasks in an expeditious and effective manner. And
>Posix philosophy offers that quite nicely.



Hans I sincerely believe you miss a major difference between the
environments
(and the two different mind sets that inhabit those environment).

I sent you a .GIF to illustrate the point clearly.  The .GIF was actually
a Sales Ad from Sun about "Your new Unix Programmer"

The people from Unix (by and large)  It is generally perceived are much
like the .GIF I sent you.  Computer Geeks First and Foremost.   Who's badge
of courage or symbol of worth is the amount of "Neat"  arcane parameters
they can remember.
(I was on a Unix Chat site and watched the bravado displayed by memorizing
different command functions.

The People from Sys/38-iSeries are First and Foremost Business programmers.
The commands and languages are a necessary evil to acheive a Business End.

If what I am saying is true,  you would expect to see the iSeries
programmers
not being the first to adopt some new "Neat"  programming function or
ability.
Hmm.  Is that what you have witnessed witnessed with this group?

So your statement of;

>>
But what matters most to the average programmer is the ability to
express complex tasks in an expeditious and effective manner.
>>

While it is true for the majority of Unix programmers
(or those who's business's product itself is code)

misses the point completely.   What matters is What solves the
Business's need the cheapest and fastest.
Not best, Not newest, Not neatest, Not the most expeditiously.


>OK, I'll come right out and say it: Yeah, I'm a Unix bigot.
>Furthermore, Unix in general and Linux in particular are important
>to my employer's business. Very important indeed!
>Cheers!  Hans

Hmm.  You said it I didn't.
Note the similarities between the .Gif and yourself.
You work in the Toronto "Labs"  You are just missing the White Lab Coat.

Saying all this, You know I love ya (and Barbara and the rest. And all the
things you produce out of the "Lab"

But it is lightyear's away from the mind set of "Business" Programmers
by and large.

Different focuses, Different background.  Different measurements of
what "Being Good at your job" means.

Mine is how well I know Bill of Materials, Shopfloor, Inventory control,
Oh and BTW I also program.

The "I program"  part is the least of what the business expects from me.

IF anyone wants to see the SUN Unix Programmer .GIF I mentioned above send
me an email and I
will send it to you.



Respectfully
to all parties

John Carr