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 >> Bundling ADT into WDS was a shrewd move by IBM, if anything will put a
nail in its coffin, that will.

Sorry Jeff you have completely lost me.  They packaged the compilers and the
tools as a single entity.  Any shop that used PDM and at least one compiler
is not paying any more than they would have paid.  So who suffers? and in
what possible way does this put nails in the coffin?  The only people who
suffer as far as I can see are the relative few who paid for PDM etc. but
had no compiler.

On the other hand I think one can make a strong argument that the fact that
modern tools are now bundled into the package and that you can use any
compiler (including C and C++) without having to go begging for extra money
just to "see if it works for us" is a great benefit.  I've talked to a lot
of folks who feel that if IBM had done this years ago they would be far more
advanced in their 400 apps than they are.

Jon Paris
Partner400



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