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Don,

I am going to be the last one to update a FAQ on OPNQRYF.  Unless it's to
point someone to imbedded SQL  :-)

Rob Berendt
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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin




Don <dr2@cssas400.com>
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Rob,

calm down dude...it's not worth it....:)

Also, I just snarfed the handout on OPNQRYF at either common or the
JAM back some time ago......didn't HAVE to buy Mike's book...but I have it
also...:)

And, if you're interested, you could always help build the FAQ at:
http://faq.midrange.com/data/cache/143.html  (Yup, I used google...:)

Don in DC

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On Tue, 7 May 2002 rob@dekko.com wrote:

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> Lest we think all the paper manuals were heaven, remember how many
manuals
> you had to have in order to grasp OPNQRYF?  I know there were at least
> two:  Database guide and one other.  And that doesn't even begin to
count
> the intricacies of the SQL involved.
>
> I suppose someone with a $hit eating grin is going to say: 1 - that
> OPNQRYF book authored by so-and-so and published by such-and-such
company.
>
> Rob Berendt
> --
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
> Benjamin Franklin
>
>
>
>
> Adam_Driver@kaz.com.au
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> Sorry Anne, I agree with Jeff.
>
> Just one example. I was looking for info the other day on importing
> digital
> certificates and setting up SSL for classic HTTP server at V5R1. Some
> information was under the "Webserving" section while the rest was under
> the
> "Security" section. In some cases the documents blatently contradicted
> each
> other, neither of them exactly matched what you see on the screen under
> V5R1, and neither section provides any kind of checklist so you know
where
> you're up to. It just seems to keep following links round and round in
> circles.
>
> I have noticed other examples, this is just the recent one that's still
in
> memory.
>
> Personally, I was fan of the online library that was available up to
V4R5.
> It was logically structured, easier to read, and iSeries network have a
> search utility that makes finding individual manuals and topics fairly
> easy.
>
> Just my $0.02
>
> Thanks
>
> Adam Driver
> Technical Consultant
> Kaz Computer Services
> Level 7
> 66 Wentworth Ave
> Sydney NSW 2010
> Australia
> Phone: +61 2 9844 0386
> Fax: +61 2 9844 0333
>
> A division of Kaz Group Limited - visit our website at www.kaz.com.au
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>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 14:35:31 -0500
> From: Jeff Crosby <jlcrosby@dilgardfoods.com>
> Organization: Dilgard Frozen Foods
> To: midrange-l@midrange.com
> Subject: Re: Info Center
> Reply-To: midrange-l@midrange.com
>
> Anne Lucas wrote:
>
> > Please provide me, in separate email to alucas@us.ibm.com, specific
> > problems on Info Center.  I have a list, but would like to get the
> details,
> > please.... have already forwarded your comments to date to the owner
of
> the
> > program....   Thanks!
>
> With all due respect, I think that's impossible.  To me, the problem is
> systemic.
>
> Ever compile an RPG program and misspell a file name?  This causes a
> level "40" error and causes umpteen field names to be undefined and so
> many other errors via the domino effect that it's scary.  To try to find
> any other typos or errors at that point is a complete waste of time.
> Your only productive recourse is to correct the file name misspelling
> and compile again.
>
> That's where I believe the Info Center is.  It is so disorganized,
> unintuitive, and convoluted that it's useless in it's present form.  I
> have to spend all my time and brainpower trying to figure out how the
> %@*# I'm going to find what I need instead of being able to focus on my
> problem.  If and when I ever find _anything_ that applies from the Info
> Center, I have lost all train of thought on what I was originally trying
> to do.
>
> It's scary to me to believe the infocenter people don't already know the
> problems after all these years of us complaining.  I am really tired of
> being repeatedly asked to document the problems to no avail.
>
> Until recently I thought I was the only one who was still using the V3R2
> Library Reader for reference.
>
> I know you asked for the email to be to you, but I want to know whether
> others on the list think my response is out of line.
>
> --
> Jeff Crosby
> Dilgard Frozen Foods, Inc.
> P.O. Box 13369
> Ft. Wayne, IN 46868-3369
> 260-422-7531
>
> The opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily
> the opinion of my company.  Unless I say so.
>
>
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