Re: 270 quote -- MIDRANGE-L

I go either way on the price for the cd and nic. But I think ibm is asking
for criticism by not bundling these essential components in the base system
and hiding their cost.

There must be a way to put a used tape drive in the system.

My post is mostly to share info and ask about alternatives than to criticize
and comment. ( this is the tech list after all )

To buy a used system and upgrade to v5r1, will that cost $10,000 for v5r1
when you include this web sphere language bundle? ( I am going to ask ibm
via email, but they are doing me a favor by taking my money so I will not
get an answer from them until at least tomorrow )

Steve

----Original Message-----
From: Jim Franz <franz400@triad.rr.com>
To: midrange-l@midrange.com <midrange-l@midrange.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: 270 quote


>>If they are using a generic CD, why can't you plug and play other CD
>drives?
>
>try getting one of the pc cheapo cards to respond to diagnostics! (sorry-no
>industry standards)
>I pay more for far better reliability.
>(my new Dell (never again) has already had cd-rom & keyboard replaced in
the
>1st 6 months).
>Running a business server demands the highest reliability. Recommending
>throw-away equipment? Not me.
>If I had my own development machine, i would expect the same reliability.
>Imagine a comm problem via ethernet, and not knowing whether the problem is
>the wire or the eth card, or the comm controller, or the OS. My time is
>worth too much to EVER be bothered with hardware problems.
>As one net tech told me, they buy throw away cards cause their so cheap.
Now
>takes 3-$40,000 a year techs to keep the pc net stuff running! NOT cheap!
></rant>
>jim
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <rob@dekko.com>
>To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 12:54 PM
>Subject: RE: 270 quote
>
>
>>
>> David,
>>
>> I think he was looking for alternative vendors.  Like, why does the
>> freaking cd drive have a speaker output on it on the 400 CD drive?  So's
I
>> can listen to Bob Seger while doing coding?  If they are using a generic
>> CD, why can't you plug and play other CD drives?  Doesn't someone out
>there
>> have a worthless 400 that they wouldn't mind swapping other equipment in
>to
>> see if it works?  I remember people doing some weird stuff with the old
>> 5364's and the AS/Entry's.  I heard of someone getting a PC modem card,
>> (not serial card), working on either a 5364 or an AS/Entry as a comm
port.
>>
>> Rob Berendt
>>
>> ==================
>> A smart person learns from their mistakes,
>> but a wise person learns from OTHER peoples mistakes.
>>
>>
>>
>>                     "David Dunfield"
>>                     <ddunfie@net-link.n       To:
><midrange-l@midrange.com>
>>                     et>                       cc:
>>                     Sent by:                  Subject:     RE: 270 quote
>>                     midrange-l-admin@mi
>>                     drange.com
>>
>>
>>                     09/04/2001 11:08 AM
>>                     Please respond to
>>                     midrange-l
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Without cd rom and tape drive you will have a real hard time loading
>> software and ptf's (plus backup once in a while may be nice)!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com
>> [mailto:midrange-l-admin@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Steve Richter
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 12:03 PM
>> To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
>> Subject: 270 quote
>>
>>
>> My partner and I are considering the purchase of a model 270. Here are
>some
>> of the numbers we are being quoted:
>>
>> The base price, basically just for the cpu:
>> 270-2248 ( 150 cpw, 25 interactive cpw, P5 software group )  $6,800
>> 270-2432 ( 1070 cpw, 0 interactive, p10 software group )  $10,700
>>
>> The base price for these models does not include any minimum dasd or
>> memory.
>> Here are some hardware feature prices:
>>
>> 3022 128MB main storage $1024
>> 4317 8GB dasd $1400
>> 4582 4GB qic tape $1300
>> 4838 100MBPS ethernet $900
>> 4525 CD-ROM $415
>>
>> Extended maintenance ( not sure what that is )
>> 270-2248 $111 per month
>> 270-2432 $268 per month
>>
>> Software
>> 5722-WDS Websphere dev studio    P5 - $3650    P10 - $8200
>> 5733-SM2 prepay software subscription  P5 - $1168   P10 - $3893
>>
>> Grand total
>> Forget the 10,700 and 6,800 base number. The 2248 is close to $20,000 and
>> the 2432 is over $28,000.
>> ( not counting hardware and software support )
>>
>>
>> Some comments and questions:
>>
>> The only difference between hardware prices of the different model 270's
>is
>> in the cpu. That looks to be about $4000.  So the P5 2248 ( 150/25 cpw )
>is
>> $14,500 for hardware vs $17,900 for the P10 2432 ( 1070/0 cpw ).
>>
>> The extended hardware maintenance looks to be a hidden charge on the
>faster
>> 2432.  $268 per month vs $130 on the 2248.
>>
>> What is the story with WebSphere?  This is a real show stopper. Looks
like
>> the only way to get rpg ile is to pay $8200 for the total 5722-WDS
>> package!!
>> Is that true?
>>
>> Do we need, have to get the $3893 software subscription?   We are local
>> contract programmers and could live with v5r1 for the life of the system.
>> Will an upgrade to v5r2 be another $10,000 without it?
>>
>> No way do I want to pay $415 for a cd rom drive and $1300 for a tape
>drive.
>> Any alternatives?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Steve Richter
>>
>>
>>
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