RE: no Java in XP Windows

Joe, Brad

Good points.  Good questions...


I actually see this schism as an encouraging sign.  I see these forces in
play:

M$ vs Sun
M$ vs OSI
IBM subsidizing OSI

Java and Open Source exist primarily as a reaction against the MicroSoft
monopoly (which is an intellectual monopoly, whether or not it's a legal
one).

Java sure didn't gain prominence primarily because of it's technical merit.
And the Open Source Movement has gained it's prominence _in spite of the
fact_ it's a bankrupt approach.  (Only "fools" like RMS, ESR, and Linus
Torvalds would claim they hold the high moral ground; 2 of those "fools"
laugh all the way to the bank.)  Linux is poised to implode on it's own
success, IMHO.


Meanwhile, in the background of all this, you have OS/400 running on the
most power computer chip in the world, the Power4...

Leaves lots of room for "OS/4i" to grow into, if the iNation could get it's
act together and markets the thing properly...!


Offline for now, gotta rest that "nasty trigger finger" I'm becoming famous
for (no offense taken...;-)

Jt
Philippians 3:13  (http://www.gospelcom.net/woh/devotionals/woh.html)


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-midrange-l@midrange.com
[mailto:owner-midrange-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Joe Pluta
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 9:20 AM
To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
Subject: RE: no Java in XP Windows


This is an interesting statement.  Most people don't use the "Microsoft
operating system" to run Java.  They use either the Sun or IBM JVM on their
machines; is Microsoft saying that those will no longer work?  If that's the
case, how many OTHER applications won't work with XP?  Or are they just
acknowledging that nobody uses their JVM anyway?

On the other hand, if they're talking about Explorer, are they saying that
applets will no longer run inside Explorer?  That ought to upset more than a
few people.

Joe


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-midrange-l@midrange.com
> [mailto:owner-midrange-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Leif Svalgaard
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 11:48 PM
> To: List Midrange
> Subject: no Java in XP Windows
>
>
> Microsoft Corp. will not include the Java programming language in its new
> Windows XP operating system, the software giant said Tuesday.
>
> Microsoft spokesman Tom Pilla said the company decided not to include the
> language so it wouldn't violate a legal settlement agreement.

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