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Hi,

Allow me to be much more specific.  Yes, system values do exist, and are
available when OS/400 has started.  System values are kept in a user space
within the operating system.  (Curiously, they are not objects!)

To run DST from a manual IPL, only the Licensed Internal Code most be
installed.  OS/400 does not even have to be installed.  So as OS/400 has
not yet been started, the data from System Values is not yet available.

Al

Al Barsa, Jr.
Barsa Consulting Group, LLC

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Al,

This is pure nit-picking on my part as well as comments from someone who
has no absolute knowledge of what actually happens during DST time rather
than a serious attack on your statements, so bear with me.

On Mon, 09 July 2001, barsa@barsaconsulting.com wrote:

>
> When starting DST at IPL, system values do not exist.  They are a part of
> OS/400, which is not yet started.  It was possible when we were selling
the
> M36 systems to have a system without OS/400 loaded all together.
>
> I do agree, however, that they should have made some other facility to
put
> this in the user control.

I find it hard to accept that the system values do not exist during DST at
IPL. I can accept the the OS/400 interfaces to the values are not
available, but the values themselves must surely "exist". Otherwise, the
implication is that they're created from nothing during IPL.

Surely IBM knows how to locate and access the values. I mean, they wrote
the parts of OS/400 that make them available. How can it be possible that
it _can't_ be done during DST?

Tom Liotta


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