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Agreed. It's what the media wants us to see. We're so quick to categorize we don't even realize it when we're doing it. Anyhow, most of the young web programmers I've dealt with don't have the experience to do a really good job from a business sense. Sure, the page looks nice, but does it play nice with my legacy apps? Most of the time, no, and I'm getting order confirmations via email that I still have to hand key. See, I didn't even realize I categorized young web programmers as a little wet behind the ears when it comes to the actual business processings that need to take place behind their web pages. (actually, I did, but it's constructive criticism). Brad > -----Original Message----- > From: rob@dekko.com [mailto:rob@dekko.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:42 PM > To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com > Subject: Re: RE: Free OS/400 > > > > This ageism crap is bull$^|%! The guy who designed our web site is 57 > years old and we got him started on Notes designer and what > not from the > ground up. There is a gal in our department who was born in > the first half > of the last century and is taking a night course in Java. > > Rob Berendt > > ================== > A smart person learns from their mistakes, > but a wise person learns from OTHER peoples mistakes. > > > > > "Mike Naughton" > > <mnaughton@juddwire To: > MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com > .com> cc: > > Sent by: Subject: > Re: RE: Free OS/400 > owner-midrange-l@mi > > drange.com > > > > > > 07/03/2001 11:31 AM > > Please respond to > > MIDRANGE-L > > > > > > > > > > I think this statement is true for more than just the midrange market. > There's a reason that all (well, most!) of the web designers/java > programmers are in their twenties -- it's the young folks who like > learning new things. As we get older, most of us tend to get lazy and > stick with what we know already -- it's easier and it seems > more secure. > But it's not just midrange folks -- why do you think people > who already > know Windoze don't run to OS/2 or Linux? Why do people who > know NT or Unix > seem deaf to the advantages of the AS/400? Resistance to > change is just > human nature. As for not wanting to spend money, how many of > us regularly > buy new things to try that may or may not be useful? If what > you have is > "good enough", then there has to be a real incentive to > invest money (and > time) in something that promises to be "better". Some people > (many people > on this list, perhaps) will do this, but most won't. > > IMHO, the reason Micro$oftt has "won" (so far) is that their > products have > become de facto standards: everybody uses them so everybody > knows how to > use them so . . . and the cycle continues. Changing this will > take more > than just a better product -- it will take getting that better product > into the hands of enough people to make a difference. More aggressive > marketing is part of the answer, and so is giving away things like > WebSphere, just to get it out there. > > Just my $.02 . . . . > > MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com writes: > >Simon, > > > >This statement of yours is so true! Sadly :( > > > >Scott Mildenberger > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Simon Coulter [mailto:shc@flybynight.com.au] > >> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 6:06 PM > >> To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com > >> Subject: Re: Free OS/400 > > > >(lots clipped) > > > > The problem has nothing to do with the tools or the OS but > rather the > >dullness of the midrange market. Midrange managers > generally won't spend > >money (SEU was good enough for me AND we've already paid for it) an > >midrange > >programmers generally don't want to learn anything new (RPG > IV, ILE, CODE, > >etc.) Some people on these lists are moving that way but they are the > >exception rather than the norm. > > > >(lots clipped) > > > Mike Naughton > Senior Programmer/Analyst > Judd Wire, Inc. > 124 Turnpike Road > Turners Falls, MA 01376 > 413-863-4357 x444 > mnaughton@juddwire.com > > +--- > | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! > | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. > | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. > | To unsubscribe from this list send email to > MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. > | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: > david@midrange.com > +--- > > > > > +--- > | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! > | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. > | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. > | To unsubscribe from this list send email to > MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. > | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: > david@midrange.com > +--- > +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +---
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