RE: State of the Midrange

Is what you say true?  I have looked for stories of success with these 
roll-outs and never see the stories. 

Probably the Oracle faithful can recite chapter and verse of dozens of 
great  and grand conversions, but I just never see the stories.  Yet 
Oracle sells. Oracle sells over and over.  They're doing something right.


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Booth Martin
Booth@MartinVT.com
http://www.MartinVT.com
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Joel Fritz <JFritz@sharperimage.com>
Sent by: owner-midrange-l@midrange.com
08/22/2000 01:43 PM
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My ex-boss would probably never agree to have his name or his former
employer's name linked to something like that.  He's a pragmatist, not a
crusader.  He didn't quit out of loyalty to the AS/400, he quit because he
knew who'd be blamed once they rolled out the new system. <g>

The ironic thing is that this _has_ been documented in the trade press 
over
and over again.  When the trade magazines used to run client server case
history stories on a regular basis, almost all of them were like my ex
boss's situation, except no one in MIS (quoted in the story) quit.  The
stories were all about home grown legacy systems that nobody liked being
replaced by fancy looking client server systems.  Generally the upshot was
that a year or more after the roll out of the new systems, things were
getting closer to working as well as they did before and real soon now,
they'd emerge from the tunnel.  The magazines always played these as 
success
stories even though in almost every case the real result, as reported, was
nicer looking screens and reduced function and reliability. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Al Barsa, Jr. [mailto:barsa2@ibm.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 9:50 AM
> To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
> Subject: RE: State of the Midrange
> 
> 
> At 08:53 AM 8/22/00 -0700, you wrote:
> 
> Document it, and get IBM to publish it.
> 
> Al
> 
> 
> >My ex boss recently left a job as CIO of an internet 
> retailer because he was
> >asked to replace AS/400 based systems with an Oracle 
> product.  In the months
> >since he left they have spent several million dollars and 
> the Oracle product
> >isn't anywhere near ready.  The AS/400 systems worked, but 
> had those nasty
> >looking screens.
> >
> >I don't think the moral is that the AS/400 is inherently 
> better, but more
> >the perception thing people have been talking about lately. 
> My ex boss
> >doesn't have a religious committment to the AS/400, but he 
> prefers things
> >that work and thought that installing the Oracle product 
> would be career
> >suicide.  He wouldn't have batted an eyelash if he had any 
> confidence in the
> >Oracle product.
> >
> >
> >AS/400:
> >          Checker
> >          16" Softball
> >          Sidney Bechet
> >
> >Win 2000:
> >          Toyota Camry (4 cyl with gold tone trim)
> >          NFL
> >          No Doubt
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Don [mailto:dr2@cssas400.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 7:13 AM
> > > To: Schenck, Don
> > > Cc: 'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com'
> > > Subject: RE: State of the Midrange
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Don,
> > >
> > > they also run Charles's Schwab's web front end...which I 
> use all the
> > > time...but, then, that wasn't the point.  THe point was that
> > > people are
> > > dumping the 400 for NT and weenie boxes because of management
> > > perception
> > > that they're a far superior box to the 400...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Schenck, Don wrote:
> > >
> > > > Those "damn weenie boxes" run NASDAQ ... ever heard of it???
> > > >
> > > > AS/400:
> > > >
> > > > Buick
> > > > Golfing
> > > > Yanni
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Win 2000:
> > > >
> > > > VW GTI with coil-over suspension ...
> > > > X Games
> > > > Blink 182
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > While the AS/400 is the reigning KING of robustness and
> > > reliability, the
> > > > FACT is that Gen-Xers are attracted to Windows.
> > > >
> > > > Gen-Nexters are attracted to Linux.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This is all startin' to get interesting.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Peace,
> > > >
> > > > -- Don Schenck
> > > >
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