RE: Ready to scrap an AS/400

Ok everybody knows that AS400 is reliable and who doesn't is maybe running a bad config or junk programs on it, or simply haven't try one of these jewels.  Anybody heard about this rumor about microsoft has switched 23 as400 servers to about a thousand of NTs and finally got back to a ressource provider that surprisingly had 23 AS400 ?

For me it has no sense to go off the AS400, but some part of the market just won't make the move, I understand them, and I will serve them, but they surely don't know what they're missing !!!

So my opinion on this case is : Talk to the people of Lotus, or the ones that sold you the applications, and then start questionning about your usage of the AS400.  And finally ask to the people at IBM (cos it's the last thing you want to do) if they can help you settle this thing, so it works fine.

hth

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• Subject: RE: Ready to scrap an AS/400
• From: Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx>
• Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:50:20 -0400

Title: RE: Ready to scrap an AS/400

We have one Domino application which still requires an NT.  CEO keeps
wanting it on the 400 because he is tired of it crashing and loves the 400.

chris.bipes@cross-check.com on 07/22/2000 12:50:01 PM
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The IVR, interactive voice response, unit we use is PC based and only
communicates the data to the AS400 via ICF.  The hit on the AS400 is
minimal, but the PC take a beating.  Domino, like Exchange, are also big CPU
hogs.  I don't know if I would run them on anything but a dedicated system,
no matter how small of a hit the other applications take.

I don't know if I would run Domino on an AS400.  I would run it on a PC for
now.  If the company were to outgrow the PC based Domino,  I would then run
it on a very large AS400.  To jump into a complex multi-function application
like Domino is not easy or cheap.  I would not try to run it in a production
environment until all the bugs were worked out.  Give it a year or two and
it will run better on the AS400 than on any other platform, be more
expandable and reliable as well.

Christopher K. Bipes    mailto:ChrisB@Cross-Check.com
Sr. Programmer/Analyst  mailto:Chris_Bipes@Yahoo.com
CrossCheck, Inc.                http://www.cross-check.com
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If consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, only geniuses work here.
Karen Herbelin - Readers Digest 3/2000

-----Original Message-----
From: booth@martinvt.com [mailto:booth@martinvt.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 9:57 AM
To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
Subject: RE: Ready to scrap an AS/400

My experience with voice response systems is limited but aren't VRS
hardware requirements far from trivial?  Aren't these two applications
each very heavy users of the CPU cycles?   Could a 170 run either
application, let alone both?

_______________________
Booth Martin
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"Richard Jackson" <richardjackson@richardjackson.net>
Sent by: owner-midrange-l@midrange.com
07/22/2000 11:18 AM
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I think it was sent directly, not forwarded.  The original message I
received from Daniel is attached.  Please check the message headers.

I stand by my original note (also attached).  I have a lot of experience
with machine sizing issues.

Richard Jackson
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-midrange-l@midrange.com
[mailto:owner-midrange-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Joe Teff
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 6:46 AM
To: 'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com'
Subject: RE: Ready to scrap an AS/400

> So this poor guys writes us a note and tells us he is having a terrible
> problem, that he is seriously frustrated and, by the way, our baby is
ugly.
> We all fall on him like a pack of starving wolves.  I think it would
take
a
> lot of courage for someone to expose themselves that sort of abuse
again.
> This was not our finest hour.

I may be wrong, but I beleive the message was forwarded to this list and
not
submitted directly to the list by the author. If your responses are just
to
this list, then the author has not seen them.
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----- Message from "Daniel Wesloskie" <dwesloskie@altatennis.org> on Fri,
21 Jul 2000 11:29:18 -0600 -----
To:
<MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com>
Subject:
Ready to scrap an AS/400

Right now, my perception IS reality!  I'm about ready to scrap this piece
of junk AS/400 for something else.  It just plain can't do the job!  We
have a 170 (V4R4M0)that is running Domino(5.0.4) and a voice response
system
(VRS) as
the main applications along with the backend applications.  So there isn't
much to the system and it still can't handle it.  Domino locks up and
causes
problems for the VRS as the http server consumes more of the cpu %.  This
means
members who are calling in to the VRS are either getting kicked out of the
system halfway through their process, or they can't even get in.  It also
means
that anyone who is trying to pay for memberships get locked out.  I can
only
imagine what these people think, but I'm almost sure it's not good.  Since
many
of the membership include people who would be influential in the decisions
to
their own companies systems, I would ask, How is this for an advertisement
for
the AS/400? or How long can my business afford to be down with AS/400?

Ticked off with the AS/400.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-midrange-l@midrange.com
[mailto:owner-midrange-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Rob Berendt
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 11:24 AM
To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
Subject: RE: So if there is no Hardware specific Advertising then???????

I used to have a boss - different sort of fellow - anyways he used to
quote
John Lennon.
"Perception is 99% of reality."

Nina,

You've hit the nail on the head here. It is not that the 400 *can't* do
these things. The problem is the *Perception* is that it can't do these
things.

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