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Tim:

Can you  share how successful your project has been with us?

What did  it cost per LoC ( Line of Code)?

Finally,  are you past the TESTING PHASE  and in Production Yet?

Either partially (%)  or fully?

TIA
Glenn
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At 05:10 PM 6/6/97 +0000, you wrote:
>
>
>
>
>  From: Tim Lennon on 06/06/97 17:02
>  
>  "...I am pressed to  think manual is better faster and cheaper
>  Do tell us more..."
>
>  I think it all depends very much on your situation. Our decision not
>  to use any tools was partly a function of the fact that we couldn't
>  find anything which matched price and performance requirements. When
>  we were looking, I think the market was a bit immature.
>
>  You should also consider that, essentially, you'll never get the job
>  done properly without looking at every line of code, so if you do
>  decide to look for helper tools, look for ones which cut down a lot
>  of the donkey work and repetitiveness - moving sources around,
>  cross-checking, certain testing routines, etc.
>
>  It's a lousy compromise, I know, but I think a successful project
>  would make good use of both manual and automated techniques. If you
>  look carefully at what you'll actually be doing, you'll find dozens
>  of areas where you can cut down the worthless tasks which hack off
>  your programmers. If you're paying programmers thousands of pounds a
>  month, it's a good idea to get that money's worth out of them by
>  using their intelligence and skills, rather than making them do
>  tasks which can safely be automated.
>
>  (In my humble opinion, he adds, slightly too late...)
>
>  <Soapbox mode Off>
>  <Disconnect>
>
>  Tim Lennon.
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