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Re: Midrange Jobs National Discussion

Aren't lawyers and lawmakers of this country funding this why should this 
article hold any relevance. There are hundreds of H1B lawyers helping 
immigrants attain visas and overseas/domestically funded consulting companies/ 
H1B sponsors and not one lawyer defending our position. Five paragraphs of BS 
is still BS!!     
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve Landess<mailto:sjl_abc@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
  To: midrange-jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:midrange-jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:14 PM
  Subject: Re: Midrange Jobs National Discussion


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  Joel Stewart, a well-known immigration lawyer in Miami, sums it up quite 
  well:

  "When employers feel the need to legalize aliens, it may be due to a 
  shortage of suitable U.S. workers, but even in a depressed economy, 
  Employers who favor aliens have an arsenal of legal means to reject all U.S. 
  workers who apply."

  Entire article available here...
  
http://www.ilw.com/articles/2000,0424-Stewart.shtm<http://www.ilw.com/articles/2000,0424-Stewart.shtm>

  - sjl

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  From: "Sales" <pgmr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:pgmr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
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  Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:46 PM
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  Fiction.
  Originally, to fill an H1-B placement, the job had to be posted and
  advertised for a "competitive" wage and when no American applicants were
  found, the position could be filled by an H1-B. Any job may be filled by an
  H1-B without regard to American applicants, nor the pay scale. The job must
  not discriminate as any job posting may not, but we all know how they get
  around this.

  "This was the most qualified person we found."

  As far as I know, there have only been 2 "administrative" penalties levied
  against any company for H1-B hiring violations and neither amounted to a
  week's pay at minimum wage.

  John Brandt
  iStudio400.com
  MSSQL Access from iSeries


  -----Original Message-----
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  [mailto:midrange-jobs-bounces+pgmr=experts.tzo.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
  Of bazangare@xxxxxxx<mailto:bazangare@xxxxxxx>
  Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 8:41 PM
  To: AlexMRPG@xxxxxxx<mailto:AlexMRPG@xxxxxxx>; 
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  Here's the way employers get around the H1-B requirements.

  To be able for a job to be H1-b eligible it must be one that can't be filled
  by an american worker.  The job is advertised for well below a rate that no
  one will except, usually 1/3 to 1/2 of what it should pay.  Once the
  employer can show that it couldn't be filled they can offer it to an H1
  applicant with little to no experience and inferior skills.

  Maybe big companies should outsource there upper management and executive
  staff, that would save them a large chunk of money.

  Basil Zangare


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  Underqualified is a relative term.
  When a willing and talented Analyst gets replaced for a cheaper H1B
  applicant
  the day their visa gets approved as they employ as an intern while waiting
  for
  it is not only brazen and insulting it's a slap in the face to anyone who
  endures it. This happened in 2000 by a small mom and pop shop in Queens. 6
  years
  going on 7 now I can't string 2 contracts together with 2 to 6 months of
  down
  time and I am looking for permanent work! I would love to learn EDI JDE or
  the
  other expensive 3 letter software packages but try to find free
  documentation or
  any without being extorted by the company who created it.




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    From: William 
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  Timothy A.
  Grove<mailto:tagrove@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:tagrove@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
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    I'm seeing the situation from a different angle. A customer of mine is in
    need of a strong RPG programmer with solid Gentran experience here in
    Chicago for perm employment and can't find anyone. I know EDI people don't
    grow on trees but, come on.
    Advertising on the major boards bring a wealth of underqualified
  applicants
    who are aiming high and lots of calls from recruiters who pretend to have
    viable applicants just to get the listing.
    I have also seen a lot of very talented contractors run for the cover of
    permanent jobs to escape the ups and downs of the iSeries market.
    If anyone is interested in the Gentran position in suburban Chicago, feel
    free to contact me. Go Bears!

    Bill Lorimer
    630 546-1473
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    From: "Timothy A. Grove"
  
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    This is one very true statement:

    You don't mention that you are looking for "cheap" staff - which is
    often one of the problems - so why are all the qualified people not
  rushing
    after your vacancies?


    When out of work I was "Overqualified" for some
    positions that I looked at.  Translation: You
    have worked too many years to want to put up with
    the pitiful salary that we are offering for this job/contract.

    Overseas outsourcing for an extremely low wage
    here (but comparatively extravagant wage for
    India, for example) is making the realities this:

    Company says:  I advertised, but there were no
    American workers that I could hire, so I get to outsource it to India.

    Reality of situation: Programmer will not take
    $20/hour to work when they are contract employee
    and have to furnish their own travel and
    insurance.  Or, company offers the position to
    those with "2-5 years experience for permanent
    placement", knowinf full well that there ARE no
    AS400 people wil that range of skills.

    I'm trying to get a data backup business going,
    so that I'm not tied to programming fully.  AND
    I'm trying to learn .NET, so that I can get full
    or part-time work doing that when the bottom falls out from under the
  AS400.

    At 02:43 PM 1/30/2007, you wrote:
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    >
    >" Our experience within the last few years is that it is hard to find
    >seasoned ISeries people who can handle large systems and large scale
    >projects.  When we go looking, the prospects are slim."
    >
    >This to me is one of the great mysteries.  As has been apparent in these
    >threads, there are many System i folks out there who seem to be looking
  for
    >work.  At the same time I constantly hear from customers that one of the
    >reasons they are considering moving off the box is a lack of qualified
    >staff.  You don't mention that you are looking for "cheap" staff - which
  is
    >often one of the problems - so why are all the qualified people not
  rushing
    >after your vacancies?
    >
    >Have you considered training folks with experience in other languages?
  Or
    >perhaps even training people with aptitude and experience in your
  industry
    >to program?
    >
    >As I noted in an earlier post - the staff shortage is one that System i
  is
    >simply seeing before other platforms because as a community we are small
    >compared with Java etc. But I am convinced that outsourcing will be a
    >necessity before long because there simply aren't new kids entering the
    >field.  Comp-sci is passé - the kids aren't interested.
    >
    >Jon Paris
    >Partner400
    >
    >www.Partner400.com
    >
    >
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