RE: Midrange Jobs National Discussion

From: WLorimer@xxxxxxxxxx> To: midrange-jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxx; 
tagrove@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Midrange Jobs National Discussion> Date: 
Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:27:35 -0600>

 
I gotta laugh at this kinda thing.  I have been with the 400 since it's 
inception, the 38, the 36, the 34, the oh, never mind.......
Gentran, Sap, Ingenium, One World, Muckenfutch and McCormick---whatever, so 
this crap is coded in some unitelligible languages that only experience with 
the actual rotten, horridly bloated, unusable lines of code somehow is of extra 
value?  I mean you fixed one MCH1202 error, you kinda got a handle to fix them 
all, it is rather algorhythmic, ain't it?  Thats how we can sit here and answer 
questions on midrange and other forums, from our esteemed counterparts oversees 
, where some of the wizards are asking such questions as 'What is the exact 
meaning of CHAIN opcode'  please insert human readable code with extensive 
notation by friday since it is an emergency.......'  A true value added 
proposition.  EDI?  Gotta have experience with set 56, and 52 or whatever, 
Jesus!!!!! doesn't anyone read anymore?  How long does that take to pick up?  
Oooooooohhh, scarey, gotta read a couple chapters in a book.  I don't belive 
that there are that many nebbishes out there---who got 15 years in or better, 
can't read a joblog or do a debug or read a dump----
 
Jobs go wanting many times because of  this idea that there is something so 
unique and special about code that only certain forms of codebrain surgeons can 
wreak havoc on.  It is like Marilyn Chambers has said, 'It's just another act"
 
Ron Melby
down in the trenches.
 
   
  > > I'm seeing the situation from a different angle. A customer of mine is 
in> need of a strong RPG programmer with solid Gentran experience here in> 
Chicago for perm employment and can't find anyone. I know EDI people don't> 
grow on trees but, come on.> Advertising on the major boards bring a wealth of 
underqualified applicants> who are aiming high and lots of calls from 
recruiters who pretend to have> viable applicants just to get the listing.> I 
have also seen a lot of very talented contractors run for the cover of> 
permanent jobs to escape the ups and downs of the iSeries market.> If anyone is 
interested in the Gentran position in suburban Chicago, feel> free to contact 
me. Go Bears!> > Bill Lorimer> 630 546-1473> ----- Original Message ----- > 
From: "Timothy A. Grove" <tagrove@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> To: 
<midrange-jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:12 PM> Subject: 
RE: Midrange Jobs National Discussion> > > *** Please pay close attention when 
replying to a message on this list!> *** If you want the reply to go to the 
list, use REPLY-TO-ALL> *** Recruiters may advertise only permanent employment 
positions in this> list.> > > This is one very true statement:> > You don't 
mention that you are looking for "cheap" staff - which is> often one of the 
problems - so why are all the qualified people not rushing> after your 
vacancies?> > > When out of work I was "Overqualified" for some> positions that 
I looked at. Translation: You> have worked too many years to want to put up 
with> the pitiful salary that we are offering for this job/contract.> > 
Overseas outsourcing for an extremely low wage> here (but comparatively 
extravagant wage for> India, for example) is making the realities this:> > 
Company says: I advertised, but there were no> American workers that I could 
hire, so I get to outsource it to India.> > Reality of situation: Programmer 
will not take> $20/hour to work when they are contract employee> and have to 
furnish their own travel and> insurance. Or, company offers the position to> 
those with "2-5 years experience for permanent> placement", knowinf full well 
that there ARE no> AS400 people wil that range of skills.> > I'm trying to get 
a data backup business going,> so that I'm not tied to programming fully. AND> 
I'm trying to learn .NET, so that I can get full> or part-time work doing that 
when the bottom falls out from under the AS400.> > At 02:43 PM 1/30/2007, you 
wrote:> >*** Please pay close attention when replying to a message on this 
list!> >*** If you want the reply to go to the list, use REPLY-TO-ALL> >*** 
Recruiters may advertise only permanent employment positions in this> list.> >> 

" Our experience within the last few years is that it is hard to find> 

seasoned ISeries people who can handle large systems and large scale> 
projects. When we go looking, the prospects are slim."> >> >This to me is one 

of the great mysteries. As has been apparent in these> >threads, there are many 
System i folks out there who seem to be looking for> >work. At the same time I 
constantly hear from customers that one of the> >reasons they are considering 
moving off the box is a lack of qualified> >staff. You don't mention that you 
are looking for "cheap" staff - which is> >often one of the problems - so why 
are all the qualified people not rushing> >after your vacancies?> >> >Have you 
considered training folks with experience in other languages? Or> >perhaps even 
training people with aptitude and experience in your industry> >to program?> >> 

As I noted in an earlier post - the staff shortage is one that System i is> 
simply seeing before other platforms because as a community we are small> 
compared with Java etc. But I am convinced that outsourcing will be a> 
necessity before long because there simply aren't new kids entering the> 
field. Comp-sci is passé - the kids aren't interested.> >> >Jon Paris> 
Partner400> >> >www.Partner400.com> >> >> >> >--> >This is the Midrange Jobs: 

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