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Peggy,
Two options:
1) Different end items. What we do (usually) is have the phantom
component (if it is a subassembly) as one number like "4714-123" without
the labor in the workcenters (the labor is charged on the end item). If
the phantom component IS an end item (service part), we use a similar part
number, like "4714-1231" with the routings running across workcenters WITH
labor rates.
2) The other option is to use alternate routings with the same item number
- just select the correct process when releasing the order. Set up the
routings similar as above except using alternate routings. I think that
requires EPDM - I've had EPDM for so long I sometimes can't remember what
is only in it.
Dale Gindlesperger
IT Manager/Special Projects Leader
Fleetwood Folding Trailers, Inc.
258 Beacon Street
Somerset, PA 15501
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Dale:
Thank you for your suggestion. Can you please explain how two routings
can be established for the same item number subassembly?
Peggy Shimko
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Peggy,
We have an extremely similar situation. We set up phantom work centers
to
handle this. Basically, if the subassembly/assembly shouldn't have the
labor (or related) costs to be included, we assign it to be run across a
workcenter with no rates (7P177, for example). If you want the labor
(or
related) costs to be included, we run it across the "actual" workcenter
that has rates (70177).
We put times and such in both workcenters to facilitate scheduling and
capacity.
If Steve Hans is on this thread, he designed this solution for us in
1986,
and we've been using it ever since.
Dale Gindlesperger
IT Manager/Special Projects Leader
Fleetwood Folding Trailers, Inc.
258 Beacon Street
Somerset, PA 15501
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We are looking for a solution to our phantom subassembly costing
problem.
Currently we use phantoms defined as a subassembly in two separate
scenarios:
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1. As a repair part sold to customers.
The phantom has a routing for contract (outside) services so the proper
cost and appropriate selling price can be determined.
2. As a subassembly that is immediately consumed by the
next production operation.
The phantom in Scenario #1 is a sub-assembly of a higher level
component. This higher level component has its own separate routing
which includes the cost of ALL contract services needed to complete the
higher level component. [This "all" cost includes the cost for
assembling and incorporating the scenario #1 subassembly into the higher
level component - the contractor quotes the higher level assembly costs
separately - and, the contract cost for the higher level can be lower
than the scenario #1 costs due to volume].
The Phantom has the same part number in both scenarios. For example:
The cost of the Repair Part (Scenario #1) rolls up into the projected
cost of the higher level component (Scenario #2). Consequently, the
higher level component production cost is overstated for inventory and
inflates the cost of the higher level component.
When the production job is purged for the Scenario #2 component, the
cost relating to the contract costs of the Phantom Repair Part (Scenario
#1) is not included in the Bill of Material (Scenario #2). As a result,
the Production Job close-out computes a favorable variance, increasing
inventory value again.
The Company does not want to change the item type from phantom to 1 or 2
because that will increase the administrative effort required to plan
and monitor inventory.
Is there an alternative method of using phantoms that will provide
accurate inventory values and production costs?
We welcome all suggestions to assist us in resolving this problem.
Peggy Shimko
Gross Given Manufacturing Company
Phone: 651-290-4362
Fax: 651-224-3609
E-Mail: pshimko@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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