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>Well what do benchmarks show?   In Java, how long does it take a 270 to
loop
>a million times, to create, fill and then destroy a large number of string
>performance numbers compare to a pc running the same java code?
.And if the performance is inferior, maybe Buell Duncan can join this list,
>hear about the performance problems and get them solved. ( as TJ Watson
>would have done already. He and Tom Watson Jr believed foremost in
listening
>and responding to the customer. )
>Steve Richter
----- Forwarded by John P Carr/FilmRich/Tredegar on 11/16/2002 02:06 PM
-----



There are several public web sites you might want to look at to "get the
facts".
Ideas International is at:
http://www.ideasinternational.com   ...

They posts multiple public benchmark results for lots of different BM
Consortiums.
IdeasInternational posts there findings in various "Top-10" results for
each of the BMs they track.

And from there you can get to the orginal SPEC consortium web site which
has the detail BM submission reports by each of the
vendors.  Our SPECWeb99SSL submission is posted on their site at:
http://www.spec.org/osg/web99ssl/results/res2002q3/web99ssl-20020819-00025.html



I would also encourge the writer to consider the "Powered by Apache" vs
Zeus web server discussion.  Whereas HP has recently
exceed our result .... they continue to use a "benchmarketing special" web
server, i.e. Zeus.

And when one reviews the Netcraft Survey on:
http://www.netcraft.com/survey
he would see that Apache Server is used 64% of the time in production web
sites, and Zeus is <2%.  There are many reason why Apache is preferred.

Bottom line is that the iSeries Benchmark measurement team uses what we
SELL/INSTALL to do our benchmarks.  We do not
use benchmark specials and then install some other tool or web
server....just to try to get good BM results.

Active Sites * Sept'02 * Percent * Oct'02 * Percent * Change

Apache         *10449418 *64.85          *10470848      *65.39 *0.54
Microsoft *4071863  *25.27         *4013397   *25.06    *-0.21
iPlanet   *237802   *1.48          *227424    *1.42     *-0.06
Zeus      *220729   *1.37          *215957    *1.35     *-0.02



I would also encourage the reader to remember that not all applications
scale well on some platforms and that not all applications lend themselves
to be parsed out across multiple systems (multiple 4 ways) to beat a 16 way
SMP.  It is well recognized in the tech trade press and consulting
community that
multiple systems are significantly more expensive to own/operate (Total
Cost of Ownership) than a single system offers.  For refer, I would suggest
IDC, Gartner and Giga Group consulting reports.

Richard Odell - iSeries Performance Marketing
Dept HP4, Rochester Lab
http://ca-web.rchland.ibm.com/perform/perfmenu.htm
rjodell@us.ibm.com
8-553-6526, (507) 253-6526



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