RE: VAJAVA vs CODE/400

VAJ repository is one of its strengh, but also one of its weakness.

As long as it is not well installed on a reliable machine/environment
VAJ is not stable.

Once the repository is ok we haven't had any stability problem with VAJ.

Gilles

-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Church [mailto:shawn@boxity.com]
Sent: lundi, 18. juin 2001 17:28
To: JAVA400-L@midrange.com
Subject: Re: VAJAVA vs CODE/400

I gave up on VAJava a long time ago; it really isn't very good despite all
the hype.  I have installed various versions of VAJava 4 or 5 times over the
past 3 years, along with any available fix packs, but I rarely have gotten
it to work reliably, and I am not comfortable it will not dump all my work
when it crashes.  JBuilder is better (not as fancy, but more reliable), but
I am much more productive with a good text editor such as UltraEdit.

The Java language however should not be blamed for shortcomings in IDEs.
Java will be around for a long time to come, and it is a very powerful,
easily-learned language (OO concepts are probably more difficult for many
people to get a handle on than the language itself).

I have gone back to using a decent editor and compiling and deploying from
the command line, at least until a better IDE comes along.

As far as VB is concerned, most Microsoft products are excellent, and many
of the slams are misdirected at applications rather than the Windows
operating system itself, which more arguably deserves criticism.  Visual
Studio is certainly more advanced than any of the Java IDEs I have used.

Shawn

----- Original Message -----
From: <MWalter@hanoverwire.com>
To: <JAVA400-L@midrange.com>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: VAJAVA vs CODE/400

>
> THAT'S IT. I'VE HAD IT. I've tried all weekend to make VAJAVA work for me.
> It locks up, the debugger doesn't work when I want it to, and after a
> problem, I can't save my source.
>
> The only reason I started using it (VAJAVA) is to have a debugger that
> works, since the debugger shipped with WDT/400 doesn't support the JDK
> shipped with WDT/400. Now that makes allot of sense.
>
> IBM promotes Java as the best thing since sliced bread. They tool the
death
> bell of native development paradigms. They tell developers that they
should
> learn the "new" technologies and I, for one, embrace learning new things.
> I've finally, in the last month, was able to put aside the some time
> explicitly for learning Java. The language itself doesn't seem that
> difficult and the learning curve is not as steep as I had heard. But the
> tools provided by IBM, in my opinion are atrocious.
>
> People on these lists spend allot of time and energy slamming MS. I, for
> one, feel that anyone developing an IDE for any environment should look at
> VB. MS got it right with that one.
>
> OK, I'm done with my Monday morning rant.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> Mark Walter
> Sr. Programmer/Analyst
> Hanover Wire Cloth a div of CCX, Inc.
> mwalter@hanoverwire.com
> http://www.hanoverwire.com
> 717.637.3795 Ext.3040
>
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