Actually, Rick, I see some of yours and Paul's posts. Just checking the
temperature, if you will.
I see the temperature here hasn't changed much.
Let see... you just proved that President Barack Obama is not a
moderate, not a liberal, and is in fact somewhere close to Ronald Reagan
politically.
That is pretty much what we on the moderate Left have been complaining
about for some time. The Republican Party has moved so far to the right
that a Democrat can stake out the Left, the moderate Left, the Center,
and the moderate Right and /still/ be a long ways from the current
political position of the Republican Party.
By the way, those are /your/ proofs, not mine. It is /you/ proving that
President Obama is carrying on many of the Republican policies and
practices of the GOP of the last two terms. You are exactly correct;
that is why you are seeing so much complaining about him from the Left.
On 2/5/2012 9:32 PM, rick baird wrote:
no worries. I don't think my posts get past his spam filter.
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:56 PM, aec<cfuture@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sorry Rick, I posted my list before I saw yours.
On 2/5/12 3:52 PM, rick baird wrote:
Let's see...
an unprovoked attack on Libya,
Doubling down on Afghanistan and then giving up,
Doubling down on the Patriot Act, Gitmo, extraordinary renditions,
assassinating US citizens abroad.
Increased drone bombing of sovereign nations with whom we are not at war,
Increased spending of 1 trillion yearly,
Doubling of food stamp recipients,
No fiscal budget in 1000 days, soon to be 1400 days,
A HUGE gift to the health insurance industry,
Hundreds of Billions in bailout money to AIG, Goldman Sachs, Fannie, Freddie.
Hundreds of billions on 'green tech' that is failing at an alarming rate,
Massive increase in H1B visas for cheap high tech jobs while Americans sit idle.
SOPA, PIPA.
Yeah sure, those were all Right-wing ideas.
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Dick Martin<ofpgmr@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
lol
Lets see...
-An unprovoked invasion of Iraq, paid for with the credit card.
-An unfocused and poorly planned invasion of Afghanistan, paid for with
the credit card.
-multibillion dollar tax cuts for friends, with no off-setting cuts in
expenditures.
-A huge gift to Pharma, on the credit card.
Yeah. Sure. Those were all Democratic ideas, eh?
You are entitled to your own set of opinions, but not to your own set of
facts.
On 2/5/2012 1:47 PM, Paul Nelson wrote:
Well, considering it was your group of friends who contributed the most to
this mess, perhaps you can suggest some solutions.
Paul Nelson
Office 512-392-2577
Cell 708-670-6978
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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13 million job seekers, 3 million open jobs. Yupppp.... all those 13
million people need to do is try harder. Somehow magically 3 million
jobs will be enough for those 13 million people. Its all so simple,
don't you see?
See, those 13 million people don't really want jobs ya know. They are
lazy louts, only fit for government work, and thank goodness we are
firing government workers at a grand pace now. Those damned teachers,
don't cha know. They are the cause of all of our troubles. If we can
get rid of them, all will be well.
On 2/5/2012 10:14 AM, Wayne McAlpine wrote:
There wasn't enough Viagra in reserve to allow the Tea Partiers to
commit sexual assaults.
On 2/5/2012 7:01 AM, rick baird wrote:
but he's a moderate extremist. just ask him.
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Norm Dennis<nhdennis@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Remember that you are responding to an extremist.
Norm Dennis
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From: "rick baird"<rick.baird@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:26
Subject: [CPF0000] the increasing militarization of domestic police
To: "Open discussion among iSeries Users"<cpf0000@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
An Occupy demonstrator murdered his aging hippy parents recently
because they wanted him to get a job instead of attending Occupy
Oakland.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/01/30/BA9P1N089K.DTL
but it's right wing monsters you're worried about. There wasn't a
single Tea Party murder in two years of demonstrations. The body
count for Occupy is approaching 10 after only a few months. Sexual
assaults, rapes, beatings, and arrests on Occupy are in the hundreds.
Who are the monsters?
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Dick Martin<ofpgmr@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Really? Right wing Lutherans shooting children, doctors being killed
in the name of a greater justice, votes taken to deny health care to
children, votes taken to deny housing, food, and health care for the
elderly. You believe those are not the actions of monsters?
On 2/4/2012 5:11 PM, Paul Nelson wrote:
Right wing monsters? That's certainly not being a moderate.
Paul Nelson
Office 512-392-2577
Cell 708-670-6978
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:09 PM
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] the increasing militarization of domestic
police
Please explain to me why this upsets you, yet on many other occasions
here you have made it clear that we need more arrests, harsher
penalties, and more policing efforts? You have generally defended
police actions and blamed those who complained of being soft on crime.
This makes two issues where I have been totally surprised in the past
few weeks that we are in total agreement, yet my positions haven't
changed. Yours and Rick's positions have changed.
Maybe now we can find some common ground and push back against these
right wing monsters who believe they have the answers and that we must
submit to their will.
On 2/4/2012 7:45 AM, sjl wrote:
I was occasionally playing in poker tournaments at an underground
[illegal]
establishment in Dallas back in 2006. On a Tuesday night, I played
in a
tournament there; On Friday night of that same week, I saw on the
news
that
it had been raided by a Dallas SWAT team...
- sjl
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/radley-balko/police-militarization-use-of-forc
e-swat-raids_b_1123848.html?page=1
[...]
According to Eastern Kentucky University criminologist Peter Kraska,
the
number of SWAT raids carried out each year in America has jumped
dramatically over the last generation or so, from just a few thousand
in
the
1980s to around 50,000 by the mid-2000s, when Kraska stopped his
survey.
He
found that the vast majority of the increase is attributable to the
drug
war -- namely warrant service on low-to-mid-level drug offenders. A
number
of federal policies have driven the trend, including offering
domestic
police departments military training, allowing training with military
organizations, using "troops-to-cops" programs and offering surplus
military
equipment and weaponry to domestic police police departments for free
or
at
major discounts. There has also been a constant barrage of martial
rhetoric
from politicians and policymakers.
Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them
in
military tactics, tell them they're fighting a "war," and the
consequences
are predictable. These policies have taken a toll. Among the victims
of
increasingly aggressive and militaristic police tactics: Cheye Calvo,
the
mayor of Berwyn Heights, Md., whose dogs were killed when Prince
George's
County police mistakenly raided his home; 92-year-old Katherine
Johnston,
who was gunned down by narcotics cops in Atlanta in 2006; 11-year-old
Alberto Sepulveda, who was killed by Modesto, Calif., police during a
drug
raid in September 2000; 80-year-old Isaac Singletary, who was shot by
undercover narcotics police in 2007 who were attempting to sell drugs
from
his yard; Jonathan Ayers, a Georgia pastor shot as he tried to flee a
gang
of narcotics cops who jumped him at a gas station in 2009; Clayton
Helriggle, a 23-year-old college student killed during a marijuana
raid in
Ohio in 2002; and Alberta Spruill, who died of a heart attack after
police
deployed a flash grenade during a mistaken raid on her Harlem
apartment in
2003. Most recently, voting rights activist Barbara Arnwine was
raided by
a
SWAT team in Prince George's County, Md., on Nov. 21. Police were
looking
for Arnwine's nephew, a suspect in an armed robbery.*
The drug war has been the primary policy driving the trend but, since
2001,
the federal government has also used the threat of terror attacks to
further
militarize domestic law enforcement. This includes not only finding
new
sources of funding for armor, weapons and gear, but also claiming new
powers
for the "War on Terror" that are then inevitably used in more routine
law
enforcement.
But paramilitary creep has also spread well beyond the drug war. In
recent
years, SWAT teams have been used to break up neighborhood poker
games,
including one at an American Legion Hall in Dallas. In 2006, Virginia
optometrist Sal Culosi was killed when the Fairfax County Police
Department
sent a SWAT team to arrest him for gambling on football games. SWAT
teams
are also now used to arrest people suspected of downloading child
pornography. Last year, an Austin, Texas, SWAT team broke down a
man's
door
because he was suspected of stealing koi fish from a botanical
garden.
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