From what I've seen on recent visits to Chicago, most of that has been
torn down and replaced with up-scale condos and lofts.
Paul Nelson wrote:
Ask Wayne. He works for a public agency. He probably has access to things
like this.
I guess you've never spent much time in or near Cabrini Green, or the
projects along the Dan Ryan Expressway.
Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
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Generation after generation on welfare??? oh? Got some figures? How
big a problem is that, Paul?
Are you throwing out the baby with the bathwater?
Paul Nelson wrote:
I think the US is at the top of the heap in GDP, isn't it?
If I have coverage before I go to work, why would I get off welfare and go
to work?
You still didn't answer the question about those who refuse to work, and
instead spend generation after generation on welfare.
Give me an answer to THAT question, and we'll have the basis for further
discussion.
Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 3:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Republican Health Care proposals leave gaps
Paul Nelson wrote:
If those who participate in the for-profit sector of our economy take
sabbaticals, or retire early, what effect will that have on the GDP?
Maybe a year spent in contemplation and recharging your batteries would
result in greatly increased productivity when you return to the work
force. It's unknowable. But I don't think GDP has plummeted in those
countries that have universal health care.
I would prefer that if a person acquires a health plan that suits them
via
Employer A, and they move to Employer B, they could keep paying into the
insurance company who works with Employer A.
Good idea, but you don't take it far enough. Why not have your coverage
*before* you even go to work for company A, and carry that same coverage
with you through your entire working career and beyond.
Also, what about the people who refuse to work? I'm still waiting for the
BWR's to give their thoughts about medical coverage for them. And don't
say
that we're already paying for them. You want the system to change? Then
let's change the whole thing.
Universal coverage doesn't necessarily mean free coverage. There is,
for example, a premium for Medicare coverage. But getting right down to
it, what do we do with those who are not "gainfully" employed? Deny
them treatment, leave them writhing in pain in the streets? No, I don't
think so. What about actors, artists, musicians who survive from one
gig to another? I submit that how civilized we are as a society can be
measured by how we treat the least among us. Ask Mark what would happen
to one of the troubled souls he works with if they came down with a
serious illness.
