I wish I could have had my finger successfully reattached. It got sewn back
on, but it died anyway and had to come off again a month later.
Of course, this was in '72 before the days of microsurgery.
Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Rich Rijnders
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 6:55 PM
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Gov Spitzer drops illegals license plan
We actually never had any problems with Kaiser. Maybe because my grandfather
was a purchaser for them for 30 years and my aunts are nurses there. I had a
detached finger re-attached, broken bones, stitches. My Mom had heart bypass
and cancer surgery there. Although I will say, if you have a choice, there
are certain facilities that are better than others. Go to Canyon Kaiser,
avoid Bellflower, etc.
----- Original Message ----
From: Paul Nelson <nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users <cpf0000@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 6:16:20 PM
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Gov Spitzer drops illegals license plan
I hope they are all in good health.
Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From:
cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Rich Rijnders
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 6:03 PM
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Gov Spitzer drops illegals license plan
I can. I grew up on Kaiser in CA. My father and siblings are still on
Kaiser.
----- Original Message ----
From: Paul Nelson
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:37:13 PM
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Gov Spitzer drops illegals license plan
Remind me to have you tell how Kaiser Permanente works when we get
on
the
subject of bureaucrats (instead of doctors) deciding who gets what
treatments.
Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From:
cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Rich Rijnders
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:26 PM
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Gov Spitzer drops illegals license plan
I can agree with most of that, Buck, but you _seriously_
underestimate
the
illegal alien community. I grew up in East LA, Norwalk CA, and East
Whittier. I am from an immigrant family (legal) and grew up
in
neighborhoods
populated by illegal aliens.
In LA, without extending anything but your wallet you can get
foreign
birth
certificates and passports. For an (substantial) additional fee you
can
even
get a passport from the country of your choice for which the
number
will
even pass a name check! They do this because green card
applications
are
country by country and some lines are shorter than others.
If you go to the DMV in CA, there are Mexicans roaming the parking
lot
to
sell you a pen that has all the test answers built right in. Just
dial
the
top to the test number you were handed and all the answers
display
right
down the shaft!
SS#'s are equally easy to get. A girl I knew two houses down was
able
to buy
a US SS# in her own name. The dealers somehow had gotten a database
of
SS# /
Name combinations. If you have a common name (or just assume a
common
name)
you can find a social with that name and use it. But the name
doesn't
even
have to match. Any social will do to get a job. The Fed
will
periodically
send companies lists of SS#'s they report that don't match
the
employee
name, but neither the Fed nor the companies ever follow up.
In east LA illegals run these little businesses out of their homes or
apartments so that other illegals can put down a false address; kind
of
like
a PO box system. They know which mail and phone calls to answer
'yes'
to and
which to answer 'no' to in order to verify "residency" for that
person
for
schools, jobs, government programs, etc.
They hand out pamphlets teaching each other how to get the best
medical
for
free. They know that a pregnant woman should not go to the
emergency
room,
she should call an ambulance and complain of "pain". That will
get
her
instant admittance to the nearest hospital, so they call a block
away
from
the hospital of their choice (and there is a list of the best).
When
I
worked for Tenet Health care (120 hospitals) I saw this first-hand.
This community is very sophisticated at gaming the system. Do not
underestimate them.
----- Original Message ----
From: Buck Calabro
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:47:45 PM
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Gov Spitzer drops illegals license plan
Rich Rijnders wrote:
The argument, as any sane person reading
the thread will clearly see, is that giving LEGAL ID
to ILLEGAL aliens would allow them a greater
ability to GET AWAY with voting when they should not.
I can't speak for sane people anywhere, not even those in NY
where
I
reside. The amount of emotion over this (which only the
gentle
reader
can judge for himself if such emotion is present in his own
heart)
is
extraordinary. It is also based on pundits reporting what other
pundits have misinterpreted what bloggers have misunderstood Gov
Spitzer to have proposed.
There is at least one fact which has remained overlooked.
The
Spitzer
plan did not simply give drivers licenses to illegal aliens. It
removed one form of ID required to get one -- the Social Security
card. All the other proofs of ID remain intact. One such required
document is proof of birth.
http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/broch/c-33.htm Please note that a
Mexican, Guatemalan or French birth certificate does not count.
That's a fact. Only these documents count: "Birth
certificate
issued
and certified by a Board of Health or Bureau of Vital Statistics in
the U.S., its territories, or possessions. Foreign
birth
certificates
are not acceptable."
* NYS Photo License/Permit/Non-Driver ID Card
* Military Photo ID Card
* U.S. Passport
* Foreign Passport (with USCIS documentation - formerly
Immigration and Naturalization Service)
* Immigration Documents
Now for some informed opinion. The number of illegal aliens
who
would
voluntarily walk into a government office to file
official
paperwork
in order to get a drivers license is vanishingly small. The
number
of
illegal aliens who bring along their valid foreign
national
passport
is quite likely to be just as small. The practical upshot
of
changing
this law would be insignificant.
So yes, an illegal alien with ID may in fact be able to cast a vote
when he should not. That possibility exists today through
the
magic
of forged documents. The change in that population due to Gov
Spitzer's plan would be very, very small. Undoubtedly smaller than
the number of dead people who routinely vote in Chicago elections.
This, of course, is an opinion. I personally would rather
expend
my
emotional capital working on the problem of corrupt
election
officials
over the handful of added illegal aliens who vote when they
ought
not.
For me, the larger problem is that the electorate is
almost
completely
unaware of the actions of their elected representatives, making an
election less a job review than a rubber stamping of
their
continuance
in office.
--buck
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