This is what I have a problem with booth: You trust implicitly
whatever plan the democrats have in store for us. you don't question
it at all, because they're democrats so they must have our best
interests at heart. no curiosity at all.
none. Why is that?
But let's review some basic economics. There are only a couple of
ways to reduce costs to consumers. Lower demand or increase supply.
Making everything "free" will inevitably increase demand, and
overburden supply. The only remedy to that is to ration healthcare.
How will the government ration health care?
Illegals and today's cronically uninsured aren't going to quit going
to the ER for basic health care. They are anonymous there, and they
don't have to make an appointment there, so why would they do it
anyway else?
What about the enormous startup costs for the vast new buracracy to
administer this?
These are only a few of the questions and concerns I want answered
before I sign on to any overhaul of our current health care system.
And I've asked these questions before discussing it with you, and the
only response I get from you amounts to "be quiet. You're just
hating. Just got back to sleep and let your intellectual betters
decide what's best for you."
I'm not going to sleep, and I'm going to continue to ask these
questions until I get an answer.
On 11/19/07, Booth Martin <booth@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
lol
I do not want, and never suggested, that we let people die in the
parking lots. I said, and meant, that we can still provide Universal
Care to everyone in America. Thats the de facto standard, right now.
No one that I know is suggesting lowering our current standards,
excepting perhaps Paul, who apparently is upset that someone might
actually get something for nothing.
The suggestion made is that we get everyone paying, not just a few major
employers. The suggestion is also made that we can provide better care
for less money to a whole lot of people that now use the ER as their
family doctor.
Now... you tell me. What is not specific? And what do you object to?
Gerald Magnuson wrote:
So,
You don't deny it?
Gerald Magnuson
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Obama comes to Texas
How on Earth can you read that from what I wrote, Gerald?
Gerald Magnuson wrote:
Booth wrote"
"You believe that the idea of getting the ER room out of the family
doctor business for millions and millions of America is not a specific
idea?"
Wow booth,
You want to have THOUSANDS of people a year die in the parking lot.
You should be truly ashamed.....
Gerald Magnuson
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On Behalf Of Booth Martin
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:08 PM
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So... then... you believe that requiring Wal-Mart, Tyson, and other
low-wage employers to start kicking into the pot is not a specific
idea? What is nopt specific enough for you about that point, Paul?
You believe that the idea of getting the ER room out of the family
doctor business for millions and millions of America is not a specific
idea?
Paul Nelson wrote:
What I find objectionable is the fact that I asked for your plan, and
how
much it's going to cost. You have wasted all of our time by
continually
coming back with the kind of words a politician would say when asked
a
specific question.
O&O
Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Behalf Of Booth Martin
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:43 PM
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Obama comes to Texas
Yes, Paul, the Democratic candidates have various plans, all of which
have good points. The process of making new legislation will, as
always, investigate, adjust, and develop a solution that America will
like and support.
Just digging in your heels and saying it has to be your way or no way
is
just too.... Tom DeLay.
All of the plans I have seen so far put Wal-Mart, Burger King, and
General Motors on about the same playing field when it comes to
health
care costs. That, to me, is a good thing.
I really do not like the idea of the minimum wage employers getting
a
free ride on the backs of the main-line employers in America. I do
not
like that Tyson can hire illegals and pay them poverty wages and not
pay
in even one dime for the health care of *their* own employees.
I do not like that we pay $900 for an ear ache.
Now, which of those points do you find objectionable?
Paul Nelson wrote:
Nope. I'm waiting to hear your plan. Never mind. You don't have one.
Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
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Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:59 AM
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Obama comes to Texas
You answer then is that if we can't do it perfectly, do nothing?
Paul Nelson wrote:
I'm just waiting to hear how you would change things, and what your
changes
would cost.
Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On
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Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:41 AM
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Obama comes to Texas
Paul, whether I have a problem with it or not is irrelevant. I
already
am, and so are you.
Thats just the way it is. Not only are we paying for it, but we
are
paying for it at the greatest possible rates; i.e., in the ER room.
I
would like to change that; you appear to prefer paying $900 for
eardrops
for a crying baby on Saturday night.
Why?
Paul Nelson wrote:
You don't have a problem paying for people who won't work?
Is it just me or are others out there confused by Booth today?
Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On
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Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:26 AM
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Obama comes to Texas
So? What has that to do with your point? That is the status quo.
Thats the way it is right now. And yet you do not wish to change
it?
Why is that, Paul?
Paul Nelson wrote:
Should or will?
My problem is having to fork out anything for people who WON'T
work,
and
therefore, don't pay taxes. Always has been, and always will be.
Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Booth Martin
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:08 AM
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Obama comes to Texas
Several plans are put forward, Paul, and in all of them your
personal
costs should go down. Is that a problem for you?
Paul Nelson wrote:
So how are those costs going to be shared out?
Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Booth Martin
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:45 AM
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Obama comes to Texas
We already are paying for those 43,million people, Paul.
Nothing
changes in that respect. Only how the costs are shared out,
nothing
more.
Paul Nelson wrote:
Who is going to pay for those 43 million people, then? Even BHO
and
Hillary
combined don't have that much money.
I'm talking about the whole picture.
Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On
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Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:18 AM
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Obama comes to Texas
How much is what going to cost, Paul? And, compared to what?
If you are talking about health care, I suspect prices would
stop
their
20%/annum rates we are used to now, and that your premiums
might
actually drop when you started paying for just your costs, and
not
the
costs of 43 million others who are on the program for free.
Your personal wish that the poor be forced to die in the
parking
lots
will not fly, Paul. No major candidate from either party will
even
suggest that solution.
Paul Nelson wrote:
How much it's going to cost, and how it's going to be
administered.
For
starters.
Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Booth Martin
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:05 AM
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Obama comes to Texas
I am curious Paul... what of those points that were made did
you
find
objectionable?
Paul Nelson wrote:
Here's a recap of Obama's visit to a Texas fundraiser this
weekend,
from
a
guy who works at the location where it was held:
<<
One of the bennies of the job is that I don't have to pony up
3K a
plate
to
see the guy.
VERY interesting time. Not for what he talked about really,
it's
all
the
usual Dem drivel. Global warming, healthcare, the war,
alternative
fuels,
etc.
What I wanted to get a look at is what kind of a speaker he
was.
Fellas, he's scary and we have a real problem. Charismatic,
funny,
personable, He had the audience completely captivated and at
ease
within
minutes.
Major players too. Most of the top dems in Texas and business
leaders.
He
made a LOT of money tonight above and beyond the 3K a plate
for
crappy
BBQ.
Lance Armstrong was there and was specifically singled out as
a
major
player
in Obama's campaign. Obama thanked him personally from the
stage.
He makes Bill Clinton look like a door to door vacuum
salesman.
Literally
light years ahead of Hillary and just about every other dem
hopeful.
(I
can
make a direct comparison to Hillary; I've been to her
fundraisers
too.)
The man fielded questions off the cuff for 45 minutes and did
an
outstanding
job.
Some of the promises he made.
Universal heathcare. No time frame, but strong hints of
happening
in
his
first term. (LOTS of references to his first term. He's
planning on
running
again already)
Limiting profits from drug companies. Would actually TAKE
what
he
considered
excess profits and use it for healthcare funding. (How he's
going
to
determine this I have no idea.)
Troops out of Iraq within 16 MONTHS of assuming office. No
ongoing
presence,
no permanent bases. Will continue the war in Afghanistan.
(that
surprised
me, as it did the crowd) Will give Iran a say in the future
of
Iraq.
Reversing anti-American opinions around the world as a
reason.
Mandated MINIMUM 40 mpg standards for vehicles. (all of them
apparently,
truck and passenger cars) No time frame, again the impression
of
during
his
first term. Punitive taxes on vehicles not meeting the
standard
mentioned.
ALL power plants retrofitted to stricter CO emission
standards. No
time
frame, but definitely mandatory. Reducing greenhouse
emissions
to
combat
global warming is a priority it seems.
Wants to reverse the "Anti-immigration Hysteria" currently
gripping
the
country. Took a "they are the future" approach.
Wants to cure AIDS in Africa. Has a massive health program in
mind.
Other
unspecified aid to Africa. Treated us to a heart warming
story
about
how
his
grandmother lives in a mud hut somewhere in Africa so he
identifies
with
them.
Palestine statehood. Israel to pay reparations and give up
the
West
Bank
and
Gaza strip.
More money for teachers. More money for education in general.
More
money
for
the VA.
What he did NOT mention.
Guns, current federal or military funding, abortion, foreign
policy
beyond
Iraq, Nuke power, lowering taxes.
Flatly stated that Hillary is unelectable because of her past
baggage.
The crowd loved him.
Discuss
Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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